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Post by dee on Jan 13, 2013 9:40:13 GMT -5
Actually,I've found that drunkards really like the Folker.
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Post by Squaw on Jan 13, 2013 22:01:35 GMT -5
Everybody likes the Folker! Smart Folkers, dumb Folkers, you name it!
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Post by paulinetrouble on Jan 15, 2013 16:28:19 GMT -5
Mother Folkers especially! ; )
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Post by wiser's deluxe on Jan 19, 2013 0:58:20 GMT -5
the more i listen to All Shook Down, the more i appreciate it for what it is, "the last." it's quite clear that the writing was on the wall, and this album was written in the dysfunction of separation. after many long years of banging their heads against the wall to find nothing but critical respect, this was the last hurrah. an album of "merry go rounds" and "someone take the wheels." there's a fatalistic thread that runs through much of this album, and i don't mean that to be a bad thing. the mats ride had run its course and who was left had to put it on vinyl for one last time.
for a band that crashed on the scene with such potential and raw unreined talent trying to raise attention found itself failing to have made a monetary dent. and that's not a bad thing either, but something had to go. and this dog had runs its course.
and it's far better i think for all of us that it didn't end with "don't tell a soul," which really was the last gasp for anthem-driven radio play. and when that failed, there was really not much left to pick up the pieces but to put out one final album to allow for conclusion and let everyone go their own way on a final note.
it's why i've always believed "the last" was the last song for a reason. and why the lyrics to the title track were a poke in the eye of a blind-fool, bottom-line music industry that had turned it's attention to something else.
if "pleased ..." was the beginning of the end, then "all shook down" was the epilogue. they came, they were heard, they stumbled and it mattered.
i could think of no better way for this misfit collective to have called it quits. to hang around for much longer would've been sentimental. and though the 'mats could be that, that was not what drove them in my opinion. they made their case, and it was mostly dismissed. doesn't mean they didn't make a difference. they did. but, to borrow a phrase, it was all over but the shouting. and they went down nobly.
this was a great coda to a band that deserved more, got less, and still resonates.
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Post by wecantgetanybetter on Jan 19, 2013 9:47:44 GMT -5
well said wiser's deluxe. lives up to your name.
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Post by timx1386 on Jan 19, 2013 10:08:28 GMT -5
well said indeed! you said it exactly right.
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Post by anarkissed on Jan 19, 2013 15:19:15 GMT -5
I agree...Much better to go out on ASD rather than DTAS...And despite Paul's intentions and actual reality, I'm glad that was labeled as a Replacements album rather than the first Westerberg solo release...That would have been like when they cancel a t.v. series you really like without letting them do some kind of final episode...But I'm clearly a post-Bob fan, and I'll always see PTMM as actually being the very pinnacle of their achievement, rather than the beginning of the end...
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Post by wiser's deluxe on Jan 21, 2013 1:27:05 GMT -5
I agree...Much better to go out on ASD rather than DTAS...And despite Paul's intentions and actual reality, I'm glad that was labeled as a Replacements album rather than the first Westerberg solo release...That would have been like when they cancel a t.v. series you really like without letting them do some kind of final episode...But I'm clearly a post-Bob fan, and I'll always see PTMM as actually being the very pinnacle of their achievement, rather than the beginning of the end... fair enough. i can appreciate that and respectfully disagree from my taste (and this is my taste, we all have different palates). ... to me, Bobby Stinson's stinging guitar was what provided the 'Mats much of their unique sound. when an oldy pops up on my ipod or any mixed tape (yes, i still make those) i've made, it's that relentless and unnerving blast of guitar sound that stirs. that's not to say, slim's contributions weren't unappreciated. it was just different, and very likely necessary to bring a relative level of, well, calm and focus to this wreckless outfit. and to me, "Pleased to Meet Me" has always sounded a little forced, as if they were attempting to live up to the expectations of a new record deal. much of the unguarded revelry -- "Tommy Gets his Tonsils Out" and "Kiss Me on the Bus" to name a few -- seemed discarded. now, this is open to interpretation, and i'm making a bit of a generalization, but it seems to me -- and only me perhaps -- that things got a little too serious post-Tim. and yet, "Can't Hardly Wait" and "Chilton" and "Merry Go Round" and "Valentine" and so many other songs remain high on my list. but i'm a "Bastard" fan if there ever was one. no offense.
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Post by dee on Jan 21, 2013 2:46:57 GMT -5
I think that from the album cover it was pretty clear as to what the tone of ASD was going to be.The production actually kept things light which evoked the devil may care attitude of the band in an almost elegant way at times,though the tone of the songs were,as the title says,All Shook Down.
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Post by raccoon on Jan 21, 2013 9:30:49 GMT -5
The black and white blues in color
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Post by TomT on Jan 21, 2013 10:07:25 GMT -5
Excellent post, Wisers.
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Post by Jer on Jan 21, 2013 19:08:59 GMT -5
Yeah, good one. I'm with you on most points `till about here:
I thought PTTM was a pretty rowdy go at having something to prove without Bob. It's more rockin' than Tim in most ways. I think forced is way more applicable to ASD and to a lesser extent DTAS. I do think Tim and LIB were better records - and certainly the pinnacle of what made the `mats great (and greater than what came before and after those 2) but PTTM capped what I would call the holy trilogy, no disrespect at all to Hootenanny.
I absolutely agree that things got a little too serious, but I didn't think that happened `till the last track of PTTM, my first cringe-moment with them. After that it was trying to hard to be something they really weren't and keep something going that they didn't really believe that much in. That's why I maintain that PTMM or even DTAS should have been the last album. I wasn't happy about it, but it just seemed so obvious to me that it was time.
But, like Wiser, I am not writing the last 2 records off as crap - I love them both in different ways, but when looking at the timeline, there's an arc that follows most bands' best creative efforts. Somewhat subjective, of course.
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Post by TomT on Jan 22, 2013 2:14:09 GMT -5
Their career had a nice arc to it. Started out raw and unknown to the creative and legendary wild show era to post Bob success with PTMM and then a 4 year period like a candle struggling to stay lit until finally finally the wax is burned away and the career is extinguished. Ha... I gotta laugh at myself here.
But that's what it was in a nutshell. I think it ran its course and ended on a real fine record with ASD. If they called it quits after the PTMM tour and Can't Hardly Wait was the last song by them.., holy shit that would've sucked and us fans would have been left heartbroken. I'm glad they gave it a go with the last two.
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Post by twicks on Jan 23, 2013 11:50:00 GMT -5
I definitely like that there are 4 Twin Tone albums and 4 Sire/Reprise ones. Nice symmetry (although the fact that Bob plays on "Tim" blurs the distinction a bit).
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Post by wiser's deluxe on Feb 4, 2013 4:42:24 GMT -5
The black and white blues in color love that line. absolutely love it.
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Post by wiser's deluxe on Feb 4, 2013 4:44:31 GMT -5
like a candle struggling to stay lit until finally finally the wax is burned away and the career is extinguished. Ha... I gotta laugh at myself here. well said.
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Post by towilmusic on Feb 7, 2013 19:05:47 GMT -5
The black and white blues in color love that line. absolutely love it. I agree. Would actually make a great lyric/chorus/song title. To me, All Shook Down has some of my favorite Paul 'songwriting' on it, "Nobody", "Someone take the Wheel", "Bent Out of Shape" and "The Last", especially. This record shows his music progressing VS having to basically rewrite songs to fit the band's constraints at that time. You can tell in interviews that they all were burnt and I seriously think there would've been at least a couple more "Mats records+ if he would've been allowed to do his own thing with this 'solo' record. Anyone agree? Regardless, fantastic discussion folks...
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Post by towilmusic on Feb 8, 2013 15:52:31 GMT -5
The black and white blues in color love that line. absolutely love it. OK, I took initiative and started working on a song worthy of such a great title...BRAVO racoon!!!! youtu.be/S3ouIQMy1oYAs I say on my YouTube page:::: Inspired by a discussion on the Paul Westerberg Forum @ paulwesterberg.proboards.com regarding The Replacements' final studio record "All Shook Down".Special thanks and publishing credits obviously go to fellow board members: ' raccoon' for the song title and majority of the chorus hook, and ' wiser's deluxe' for the majority of verse's words. You two as well as all of the other incredible thinkers at that forum, inspire me...thank you. ENJOY!!! TW- P.S. if anyone can come up with a good bridge, let me know, OK?
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Post by bside on Feb 10, 2013 13:33:21 GMT -5
love that line. absolutely love it. OK, I took initiative and started working on a song worthy of such a great title...BRAVO racoon!!!! youtu.be/S3ouIQMy1oYDude that song is sweet! I like your voice, it's got a certain road weariness with some Jack Nicholson thrown in. Care to share the lyrics?
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Post by raccoon on Feb 11, 2013 13:06:37 GMT -5
Wow!! So cool TW!! A bridge? I have remnants of a couple of bridges - probably worthless bricks: <friends always said I'd go far, all the way to the corner bar> or the related <happiness rises and falls like voices in a bar at last call>
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