Marz
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Beneath my feet, it just feels right
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Post by Marz on Oct 22, 2005 10:09:42 GMT -5
This is a song that just keeps me listening and every time I hear something I missed. I really hadn't paid as much attention to it until the All Paul Radio show the other night. Now I just keep playing it. Am I alone in my love for it? Other than the DJ who played it, commenting on its brilliance, of course....
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Post by BoringEnormous on Oct 22, 2005 11:18:07 GMT -5
One of the most infectious songs he ever wrote, imo...a classic...
Love the backing vocals....LETS NOT BEEEELOONG< NOT BEEELONG
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Post by brianlux on Oct 22, 2005 12:05:54 GMT -5
Definitly a great song, Marz. Great lyrics, voice, churning guitar. Only now that you brought it up, the song is running through my head and I can't listen to it because the CD is in my wife's car and she's gone for the day! Ever get that "I gotta hear that song now" feeling?!!
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Post by ElegantMule on Oct 22, 2005 12:34:39 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite songs as well, because it seems like two songs mashed together - the first part and then the chorus part.
There is also rampant disagreement on the meaning, but I am not going to go there because I ALWAYS get the smackdown.
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Post by A Regular on Oct 22, 2005 13:08:22 GMT -5
This is one of my favorite songs as well, because it seems like two songs mashed together - the first part and then the chorus part. There is also rampant disagreement on the meaning, but I am not going to go there because I ALWAYS get the smackdown. Well, I never knew there were two meanings, though I'm sure I'd agree with EM's. Typical perversion of a cliche` for Mr. W. I also liked the shady video that came out with it. |
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Post by scoOter on Oct 22, 2005 13:25:30 GMT -5
the song is a poison pen valentine to us. the fans.
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Post by Wolfdog on Oct 22, 2005 13:32:05 GMT -5
the song is a poison pen valentine to us. the fans. which I have always taken as a bold-faced lie, or a sarcastic slam |
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Post by cellarfullofnoise on Oct 22, 2005 13:55:42 GMT -5
I loved this thing from the get go the most on Mono, so much so it took me a while to see what people liked about Footsteps etc. After a while I thought maybe LNBT copped its groove from I Will Dare somehow, but I'm not enough of a musicologist to take that thought any further.
Whoever said Tin Pan Alley, this is classic tin pan alley, updated of course.
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Marz
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Post by Marz on Oct 22, 2005 14:07:03 GMT -5
See, I thought it was just PW saying to whoever that we're outsiders , belonging nowhere, so let's belong nowhere together. Way too simplistic, huh?
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Post by scoOter on Oct 22, 2005 14:09:23 GMT -5
the song is a poison pen valentine to us. the fans. which I have always taken as a bold-faced lie, or a sarcastic slam almost all of mono strikes me as a message to the fans: it's high time i let you slide ... ("you" being the stuck in the past fans) i would do anything... but that. (becoming the 'mats front man again) knock it right out... make a lotta money... (sort of a mission statement for 'mono') let's not belong together... (see above) take your diet pills, how many have you got, kiss you on the cheek, leave you in the parking lot... i ain't got anything to say to anyone anymore... (self explainatory) mono is a concept album about paul's sometimes strained relationship with his long-time fans who sometimes have a hard time letting him do what he wants; instead pining for paul relive his 'mats days. or i could be just totally full of shit. |
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Post by ElegantMule on Oct 22, 2005 14:31:26 GMT -5
Scooter.
I'm going to have to go with "full of shit" because any musician that thought that much about their fans would have to be some kind of crazy diva-like robot.
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Post by scoOter on Oct 22, 2005 14:33:15 GMT -5
Scooter. I'm going to have to go with "full of shit" because any musician that thought that much about their fans would have to be some kind of crazy diva-like robot. i am soooo gonna sick mariahbot v.5.1 on you for that. she's the one with malfunctioning "diva chip". you're toast, sister. |
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Post by ElegantMule on Oct 22, 2005 14:34:59 GMT -5
I'm just saying I don't think Paul is so concerned with his fans that he's gonna concept out an album to them. It'd be so much easier to just flip us off and then not make another record for two years.
Wait...
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Post by ElegantMule on Oct 22, 2005 14:39:51 GMT -5
It's a hell of a way to show up after - what - how many years gone? To come back and say, "Well, you didn't buy Suicaine, here's a new record about how much I dislike you?"
I just don't see him caring that much.
I tend to think Paul sees us as the sea of faces that makes it possible for him to stay home all day.
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Post by scoOter on Oct 22, 2005 14:42:00 GMT -5
robot talk aside, i think paul really WAS thinking, maybe not specifically about us, but about his legacy at the time. mono was the first shot across the bow after what could be termed a failure with suicaine.
he might have been wondering if fans would still be there for him. he has mentioned a couple of times that "high time" was the first song he wrote after a couple of years. and that is clearly a song about moving on... and he was still married at that point.
moving on from what? if not his mats-obsessed fans, maybe the expectations that go along with being paul westerberg?
maybe it makes more sense if you think of it as a kiss off to the expectations, and not the fans. i think it makes more sense if i think of it that way.
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Post by ElegantMule on Oct 22, 2005 14:49:16 GMT -5
I will totally grant that. A kiss off to "oh, you think you know me." Definitely. But then that's to fans and critics and record company execs and old duffers in bars in St. Paul. As well as girls who drive VW Beetles.
But to us, by name, I don't think so.
AND also, not to get all pretentious, but maybe, too, a kiss off to himself to try to get back to what he does best. Simple songs that don't namecheck Demi Kutcher.
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Post by scoOter on Oct 22, 2005 14:54:00 GMT -5
*calls off the robots*
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Post by Wolfdog on Oct 22, 2005 14:55:09 GMT -5
Ok, I'll throw my 2cents in the ring....
I see Mono as being about his 'professional' life, Stereo about his 'private' life, Folker as an updated fusion of both, and CFMT as leftover stuff that didnt fit anywhere.
...or they are all just unrelated songs mixing clever ideas, rock n roll bravado, with a few deeper insights thrown in, released without form or reason.
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Post by brianlux on Oct 22, 2005 15:00:47 GMT -5
I'm just saying I don't think Paul is so concerned with his fans that he's gonna concept out an album to them. It'd be so much easier to just flip us off and then not make another record for two years. Wait... That's what Joe Strummer did to us, the audience who saw the Clash in SF once... flipped us off- and he meant it!- and the show just got better from there! But Paul? Naaa. He once said something about "it's all the same people who follow me around that see me" but I don't see him as taking his fans for granted. Who else spends so much time, exhausted after a show, meeting his fans? |
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Marz
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Beneath my feet, it just feels right
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Post by Marz on Oct 22, 2005 15:01:27 GMT -5
I still think it's a love song and I'm pretty sure it's to me and Elegant Mule.  And Meri , of course. |
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