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Post by who? on Jun 12, 2022 12:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by oldmatsfan on Jun 12, 2022 13:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by who? on Jun 12, 2022 22:20:30 GMT -5
That is pretty fantastic. I'm really curious if this is a lead to something more substantial from that reunion, like a visual release of some sort. Having been at that Toronto Riot Fest show, I'm pretty stoked the audio at least is being released.
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Post by psychopharmacology on Jun 14, 2022 12:10:40 GMT -5
does anyone know more about this?
it looks like those unofficial broadcast sourced boots that wind up on spotify and amazon, but i don't think this gig was ever circulated like that? if this is a board recording it's indeed from (i think...) a new source.
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Post by bikechef on Jun 14, 2022 17:15:41 GMT -5
Bob Mehr said on Instagram that there would not be an archival release this year, which makes me think this isn't official. Unless he just meant the album box sets...
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Post by psychopharmacology on Jun 14, 2022 20:49:31 GMT -5
Bob Mehr said on Instagram that there would not be an archival release this year, which makes me think this isn't official. Unless he just meant the album box sets... Someone said Tommy was associated with the "Cobraside" label. Either this is totally a boot that just managed to get their hands on a board recording (or is using an audience tape...) or some Mats adjacent person or otherwise is interested in doing lower-key releases of oddball stuff compared to the main Rhino offerings. Did anyone here buy this? If it's a new source I'll buy and do a transfer of the LP for everyone but I don't wanna blow 40 bucks on an audience tape pressed to wax. |
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Post by oldmatsfan on Jun 15, 2022 13:14:40 GMT -5
does anyone know more about this? it looks like those unofficial broadcast sourced boots that wind up on spotify and amazon, but i don't think this gig was ever circulated like that? if this is a board recording it's indeed from (i think...) a new source. You may be right about it being a boot, but I just assumed it was legit because it's listed on the Record Store Day site release schedule. |
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Post by psychopharmacology on Jun 15, 2022 16:26:51 GMT -5
i bought it. wish me luck.
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Post by badworker on Jun 15, 2022 23:07:39 GMT -5
i also bought one meself... hoping it is at least legit. It'll go well with the other live Mats lps i have! I'm not shy to buying bootlegs, but i do hope these are official. There's no reason they shouldn't be releasing LP sets constantly
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Post by psychopharmacology on Jun 16, 2022 6:45:16 GMT -5
from the steve hoffman forum...
"The release will not be the first in a series of live releases, it will be a one-off. It is authorized but not all interested parties were fully on board with the idea, so a decision was made to cancel further releases and keep this one limited in scope, kind of like an “authorized bootleg.” There will be no press or marketing and the print run will be small, only 1500 to 3000 total, vinyl only. It’s sourced from a soundboard, not a multi track recording."
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Post by psychopharmacology on Jun 16, 2022 7:08:05 GMT -5
from the steve hoffman forum... "The release will not be the first in a series of live releases, it will be a one-off. It is authorized but not all interested parties were fully on board with the idea, so a decision was made to cancel further releases and keep this one limited in scope, kind of like an “authorized bootleg.” There will be no press or marketing and the print run will be small, only 1500 to 3000 total, vinyl only. It’s sourced from a soundboard, not a multi track recording." kind of what I figured... usually there's kind of ego/gatekeeping involved when a label or team gets involved with archival campaigns, feeling like they have to be the ones to do everything all the time or else "the legacy" that they jumped in on 20 years after the fact is ruined. Glad at least one of these managed to get out, though. I'll do a hi-res transfer when I get my copy and share with anyone here who wanted it. |
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Post by teddinard on Jun 16, 2022 7:35:17 GMT -5
Just bought the thing.
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Post by Jer on Jun 16, 2022 16:54:10 GMT -5
It's not legit ("authorized") if the band isn't behind it, and they're clearly not. If they were getting paid they'd be promoting it on their channels. As of this afternoon you couldn't even find out what the cover looks like. Calling it "authorized" in a press release is shady af, but reels in the buyers.
I'm sure it's the radio broadcast, very similar to the Grant Park `91 bootlegs that are out there everywhere. Basically someone funded a vinyl run of a decent recording knowing they'd make their money back and also knowing they most likely won't get sued. The band has no say and doesn't get a dime from these releases.
Just educated conjecture, of course. xx
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Post by psychopharmacology on Jun 16, 2022 17:55:51 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that this didn't go through some band member or someone very close to them, I'm guessing Tommy. Honestly who cares, if they want to leave money on the table then whatever, I'm thrilled this is coming out just as much as I'm thrilled Rhino is doing what they're doing. We can't all wait for a rate of 1 or no releases per year to get all this stuff out, this would've been a great avenue for one-off shows like this.
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Post by oldmatsfan on Jun 16, 2022 20:01:52 GMT -5
It's not legit ("authorized") if the band isn't behind it, and they're clearly not. If they were getting paid they'd be promoting it on their channels. As of this afternoon you couldn't even find out what the cover looks like. Calling it "authorized" in a press release is shady af, but reels in the buyers. I'm sure it's the radio broadcast, very similar to the Grant Park `91 bootlegs that are out there everywhere. Basically someone funded a vinyl run of a decent recording knowing they'd make their money back and also knowing they most likely won't get sued. The band has no say and doesn't get a dime from these releases. Just educated conjecture, of course. xx Well if that turns out to be the case, it really sucks. Again, my assumption was that RSD only promotes legit stuff, maybe that's not always the case. I only hope it doesn't discourage Paul & Tommy from continuing to dig around for lost live shows, demos or outtakes, I'm really enjoying the box sets Rhino has been putting out and I'd hate to see them put the brakes on any future authorized releases. |
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Post by Jer on Jun 16, 2022 21:44:34 GMT -5
I sincerely doubt that this didn't go through some band member or someone very close to them, I'm guessing Tommy. There is no evidence whatsoever that this has the blessing of anyone in the band. It's not even close to their MO. "Someone close to them" or even Tommy himself doesn't matter. If Paul and Tommy don't both sign off, it's not an authorized release. It's a bootleg. Unless there's something official from the band, which there isn't yet, it's not really debatable.
Honestly who cares, if they want to leave money on the table then whatever, I'm thrilled this is coming out just as much as I'm thrilled Rhino is doing what they're doing. We can't all wait for a rate of 1 or no releases per year to get all this stuff out, this would've been a great avenue for one-off shows like this. I care, actually, though I know I'm in the minority. This has nothing to do with what Rhino is doing or how the frequency suits the fancy of impatient fans. It's the people who wrote and made the music having no control over what's presented, how it's presented, or who's getting paid.
Well if that turns out to be the case, it really sucks. Again, my assumption was that RSD only promotes legit stuff, maybe that's not always the case. I only hope it doesn't discourage Paul & Tommy from continuing to dig around for lost live shows, demos or outtakes, I'm really enjoying the box sets Rhino has been putting out and I'd hate to see them put the brakes on any future authorized releases. RSD isn't promoting this, it's not on "the list", it's just part of a new-releases feed they got from a distributor, probably automatically generated to their site. The exact same verbiage is on other sites too. Anyone can slap some text together that says "authorized" and get it included on that feed. It's been going on for decades, I doubt it will have any impact on future official releases.
Dig what you dig, it's not the end of the world, just know what's going on.
Boston Calling will probably be the next one.
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Post by psychopharmacology on Jun 16, 2022 21:54:27 GMT -5
In a perfect world this would be dumped online for free. I understand being upset about random parties making money off someone else's work... I regularly see idiots pay 100s of dollars for terrible Prince boots that rehash the same shit over and over again and it's so frustrating to know that there are actually people who fork over money for slop like that. That being said, the only reason I'm buying this is because it's something new, just as I've bought the official sets. I wouldn't pay a dime for this (and most official releases from most artists I wouldn't pay a dime for either unless it was something I really wanted to support a la Mats archival work or a very small artist), but if I don't buy a copy I doubt anyone else will transfer so I might as well!
I'm just over people bickering about music and legacy and all this pious shit about what's right and who does what, I just like hearing new things and I don't see the point in people tsk-tsk'ing what is clearly a net gain for the fan community regardless of if the man who probably made more on that reunion tour than you and I will make in 50 years gets his 10 grand from the sale of vinyl records.
I've done a lot in the past to share music with people that otherwise would be left to languish so maybe I'm biased.
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Post by Jer on Jun 17, 2022 8:11:32 GMT -5
In a perfect world this would be dumped online for free. I understand being upset about random parties making money off someone else's work... I regularly see idiots pay 100s of dollars for terrible Prince boots that rehash the same shit over and over again and it's so frustrating to know that there are actually people who fork over money for slop like that. That being said, the only reason I'm buying this is because it's something new, just as I've bought the official sets. I wouldn't pay a dime for this (and most official releases from most artists I wouldn't pay a dime for either unless it was something I really wanted to support a la Mats archival work or a very small artist), but if I don't buy a copy I doubt anyone else will transfer so I might as well! I'm just over people bickering about music and legacy and all this pious shit about what's right and who does what, I just like hearing new things and I don't see the point in people tsk-tsk'ing what is clearly a net gain for the fan community regardless of if the man who probably made more on that reunion tour than you and I will make in 50 years gets his 10 grand from the sale of vinyl records. I've done a lot in the past to share music with people that otherwise would be left to languish so maybe I'm biased.
I get all this, and I'm not tsk-tsking anyone, merely trying to present facts. I can't sit here and say I've never bought or sold a bootleg recording when I was younger, though as time went on and I learned more about that side of the business, and the other side too - where live recordings are easily shared for the love of the music with no money changing hands, I gained a different outlook.
I also don't personally believe that how much money someone has should have any bearing whatsoever on their rights to their property. Whether Paul made $50 or $500k on that reunion tour has nothing to do with the ethics of music piracy and his rights to control and make money from his brand. The same applies to how many legitimate recordings a person has bought in the past or supported an artist. That's super important, and it's great, but shopping at a store for 40 years doesn't make stealing a pack of gum from them ok. These justifications don't work for me, personally.
Buying this album isn't going to make anyone rich or send anyone to the poor house or stop the band from doing whatever they are going to do next. It's not that important or big. If it makes someone happy....they should buy it. My only point is that consumers and fans should be objective and know what they're getting, and not take what's being presented at face value, because it's deceptive, it's horse shit, and people are being mislead. I'm just trying to state facts, not pass judgement. That's it, just be aware.
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Post by badworker on Jun 17, 2022 18:51:46 GMT -5
I'll be ripping it & uploading to my youtube channel that is specifically designed for this kind of thing. I collect records & tapes, but don't think that people shouldn't hear bootlegs. Sometimes i get videos pulled, but i do it all or the fellow fans & such. Here's a link to it for those interested. I buy bootlegs when i see em, because i usually kick myself for missing out in the future. i understand the guilt that people feel, but to counter balance that kind of thing, i buy everything this band puts out... if they wanted more money from me they can gladly release tons more haha. www.youtube.com/channel/UCxgM7HXPV6e1hcu3fTutM9w/videosp.s. when i was a teenager (i'm 25 currently) Bob Stinson's Ghost was like a treasure trove for me as a new Mats fan. I do feel a bit of a duty to keep up with stuff like that after his passing. Cheers y'all! |
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Post by curmudgeonman on Jun 17, 2022 19:57:22 GMT -5
I've done a lot in the past to share music with people that otherwise would be left to languish so maybe I'm biased. Call me weird, but I believe the artist who originated the actual work should contractually financially benefit from his labors and creativity. I understand fans "trading" recordings and such, but an entity intent on making money, taking work without full authorization, is stealing content. Maybe YOU don't think so, but wrong is wrong. Just because, as a "fan", you feel entitled to take possession of property simply because you want to hear new stuff that doesn't belong to you, there is no justification of this. And you make some broad stroke assumptions of rock stars making big money off of reunion tours. The Replacements did not become millionaires off of their tour. They had to pay back Warners for debts unpaid. A stint at Coachella paid them mid-tier bucks, 75-100 grand. Research the monetary logistics of rock tours and you'll see that expenses and percentages chew up a lot of the money. If this "release" is a bootleg, the folks who ramped this up should crawl back into the hole they came from. I won't buy it. |
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