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Post by Kathy on Nov 9, 2004 7:33:07 GMT -5
I have a guess: they were talking about opening a dormitory for ex-prostitutes, where they could learn about romance and use freshly-cleansed toilets. Damn! I knew there was something I forgot to ask!
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Post by FirstAveFiend on Nov 9, 2004 13:49:52 GMT -5
well it seems i have a different opinion on the show than most...some left because they coudlnt take it anymore...but i thought it was one of the best, purest rock shows ive ever been a part of. or at least right up there with them...paul doesnt go through the motions. tight, loose, energetci, rockin, pissed off, happy, joking, angry. smashed guitars, flubbed lyrics (he does a great job at rhyming new ones though, amazing with words that man is). amazing guitar playing. nevermind was a highlight of the weekend, IOU amazing, high time is always a favorite of mine. what a day for a night is one of the greatest songs ever written...pop bliss. thank you bonnie rait for hating it you stupid...just kidding! amazing. rock n roll...wow..paul tears it up on guitar and can/could play with the best of them. his voice was awesome. the band kicked. what else is there? I couldn't agree more.
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Post by SnowCover on Nov 9, 2004 15:18:50 GMT -5
I have to admit that after the concert I was pretty dissapointed at first. It started out GREAT, just like Saturday night, but by the end it was a very different experience. But now looking back on it, the songs that went smoothly REALLY went smoothly. It opening with MPLS was awesome, and then Psychopharmocology? That was great.
The guy I was sitting next to was like "When I saw Westerberg in 96 I yelled out "Gary's Got A Boner!" and I got a laugh". I just said "Ok..." since I didn't think it was funny. He left to go up front when I Will Dare started. Later, during the acoustic set, I hear "GARY'S GOT A BONER". Then Paul said "Gary's Got A Boner? Here it is." and gave him the finger. That made me glad.
In retrospect it was a good concert. Again, it was nice hearing the songs he didn't play Saturday night, like Love Untold and Valentine.
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Post by GtrPlyr on Nov 9, 2004 16:54:06 GMT -5
The guy I was sitting next to was like "When I saw Westerberg in 96 I yelled out "Gary's Got A Boner!" and I got a laugh". There's always someone yelling out "Gary's Got a Boner," or "Black Diamond" or "Dose of Thunder," or some other thing that Paul probably wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Why, when the man only performs for under 2 hours, would you want to hear filler? The man has written so many great songs, why waste concert time with such requests. These are probably the same people yelling for "Skynyrd" at every concert too.
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Post by FreeRider on Nov 9, 2004 18:24:25 GMT -5
I'm still contemplating the 'just wood and wire' thing. I can't go there. As I type this, I am holding my 79 stratocaster (lovingly, of course) that at age 17 I sold my car to buy. It's my security blanket, my substitute for comfort food (when I'm out of Nutty Bars), my stress/boredom reliever, and my great puzzle of life that will call to me until the grave. It's wood, wire, and ME. Hey Wolfdog, i got a strat too. do you still have the single coil pick ups in 'em or did you swap them out? i still got all factory on mine, but that single coil hum drives me nuts.....
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Post by bigbak on Nov 9, 2004 19:04:57 GMT -5
Karaoke in an Irish pub?? Uhmmm, you might not want to schedule a vacation on the ol' isle then - Karaoke is prevalent in just about every pub. And every last Irish thinks they can sing with the best of them...IiiiiIIIiii ssttthhhhuuuuiiiiIIiiLLLl 'avennn't FFFaaawwwwunnnnddd Wot I'm lou kin fhour...still disturbs my sleep.
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Post by Wolfdog on Nov 9, 2004 20:19:48 GMT -5
I know I'm still obsessing about this, but... that first guitar Paul smashed: 1962 Gibson SG Jr. $2000 at Manny's in NYC
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Post by jodi, queen of the underground on Nov 9, 2004 20:31:57 GMT -5
looks like it's just wire and wood to me.
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Post by Christy on Nov 9, 2004 20:43:14 GMT -5
one of my favorite moments from sunday night was when he said, "We respect your requests *pause*, we just can't hear a goddamned thing up here".
on friday or saturday he very handily dealt with the whole requests thing by essentially saying, "what do you want to hear?", and then letting everybody scream their favorite song for about three minutes (simultaneously, it was just a cacaphony), and then playing whatever song it was that he was already about to do.
i don't think i know how to spell cacaphony
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Post by scoOter on Nov 9, 2004 21:44:59 GMT -5
on friday or saturday he very handily dealt with the whole requests thing by essentially saying, "what do you want to hear?", and then letting everybody scream their favorite song for about three minutes (simultaneously, it was just a cacaphony), and then playing whatever song it was that he was already about to do. i noticed that too, and chuckled.
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Post by troublkepnyerhedup on Nov 10, 2004 10:12:40 GMT -5
-1st guitar lost--early 60's Gibson SG special...damn. Not just broke...shattered...splintered. "It's only wood and wire." There's an album called "Wood and Wire" by a Matsesque Minneapolis group called the Rakes. I always assumed it referred to what you make a rake out of. But now I know ... the rest of the story.
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Post by Wolfdog on Nov 10, 2004 10:24:27 GMT -5
looks like it's just wire and wood to me. ok...I'm over it now.... but John Hiatt's voice keeps whispering in my ear (along with the rest of the voices), 'Oh it breaks my heart to see those stars, smashing a perfectly good guitar' I know it's rock and roll, and cathartic expression, and what not. But can't that energy be directed towards the common good? Like....punching a mime, or kicking a clown in the junk? I know what I would choose.
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Post by GimmeGimmeGimme on Nov 10, 2004 11:31:16 GMT -5
Uhmmm, you might not want to schedule a vacation on the ol' isle then - Karaoke is prevalent in just about every pub. And every last Irish thinks they can sing with the best of them...IiiiiIIIiii ssttthhhhuuuuiiiiIIiiLLLl 'avennn't FFFaaawwwwunnnnddd Wot I'm lou kin fhour...still disturbs my sleep. You know, I was thinking that this might be the case and I find this more disturbing than anything that happened inside the Pantages on Sunday. And speaking of Sunday's show it doesn't surprise me that there is a diversity of opinion about it. So many things can effect your feelings about a show, your mood, where you're sitting, the crowd, previous shows by the same artist all come into play. There seem to be a number of reasons why I left early on Sunday. I think the worst Westerberg experience I've had was the 1993 show at First Ave. From what I remember he was in one of his moods pretty much the whole show and played his final encore behind the curtain. He can be a real jerk when he gets in a mood, insulting anyone or anything that gets in his sights. I felt like he'd insulted the crowd (I can't remember the song or his exact wording, but he ended it with something like "I hate you all"), Boquist's backup vocals and then when it seemed like he'd left the band trying to cover for him during "Rebel Rebel" I decided I'd had enough. Another reason is that perhaps I'm too concerned with how Paul's perceived. Back in 1987, the 'Mats played their first big local show at the Orpheum and fell flat on their faces. One of the guys who went to the show with me said, "They'll never make it, they're too unprofessional." I want to see Paul do well, when he fvcks up it's kind of like watching your favorite sports team throw a game away. It's a stupid reason, but I know it's there for me. Finally, it was too raw, too real for me to watch for too long. I was worried that he was drunk or having a nervous breakdown up there. The comment about his friend blowing his head off was chilling. It seemed macabre to me to cheer on someone who might be flipping out. I think in the end that's what brought it over the top for me, it was too close to the bone for my comfort level. And in some ways that's a compliment to Paul. Unprofessional? Perhaps. Real? Unquestionably.
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Post by FirstAveFiend on Nov 10, 2004 17:21:17 GMT -5
Unprofessional? Perhaps. Real? Unquestionably. Great line. I guess now I'm understanding more why you left but I was more on the end that it was getting intense which pulled me in deep. One of the lyric changes that stuck out for me a lot that night was in the beginning of "Lookin' Up In Heaven" when he said something along the lines of "Sunday morning I felt the fears, someone leaving this world of tears"
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Post by earthdog70 on Nov 10, 2004 18:51:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the descriptions everyone. And thanks for MichaelB for checking in. It's nice to have some feedback from those involved with the music
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Post by kgp on Nov 18, 2004 18:10:00 GMT -5
I know I'm still obsessing about this, but... that first guitar Paul smashed: 1962 Gibson SG Jr. $2000 at Manny's in NYC My dad and I got into an argument over on-stage guitar smashing. He thinks it's fake, like pro-wrestling, or hired 'stunt' guitars. No wonder the tickets were $40 a head. There must have been a guitar-smashing surcharge included.
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Post by Wolfdog on Nov 18, 2004 18:51:41 GMT -5
These were defintely not 'stunt' guitars. Now, at the Guthrie Sun. show...I suspect the cheap looking Les Paul copy Paul destroyed at the end of 'A Star Is Bored' was a setup.
And here I thought I forgot about all this guitar smashing business.
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Post by A Regular on Nov 18, 2004 18:59:05 GMT -5
My dad and I got into an argument over on-stage guitar smashing. He thinks it's fake, like pro-wrestling, or hired 'stunt' guitars. No wonder the tickets were $40 a head. There must have been a guitar-smashing surcharge included. I bet your Dad is right some times. Staged rage. I'd be tempted if I was a "starving artist" but wanted to make a scene.
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Post by scoOter on Nov 20, 2004 16:09:45 GMT -5
My dad and I got into an argument over on-stage guitar smashing. He thinks it's fake, like pro-wrestling, or hired 'stunt' guitars. No wonder the tickets were $40 a head. There must have been a guitar-smashing surcharge included. *clears throat, smooths creases in cheap suit* as acting grand pooba of the local 666, stunt guitars union, i call on all musicians, professional & otherwise, to put a stop to the barbaric practice of smashing us. look, we have no problem with ace frehley putting sparklers on us, or having us lowered from the ceiling into angus young's waiting hands. stunts are what we are hear for, but i have seen to many of my comrades permanently injured, and unable to perform stunts for ted nugent's fans ever again. it all started with paul simonon, and now everybody is all like "smash it! smash it!" i'd like to say, "no more, thank you." on behalf of stunt guitars everywhere, i appreciate your time, and remember, you don't have to smash your guitar to tear it up. stay in school kids, and don't do drugs!
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Post by GimmeGimmeGimme on Nov 20, 2004 16:41:41 GMT -5
I'd rather not tick off the guitar union, but I do have to point out that it really was Pete Townshend that started the guitar smashing thing. I don't think Paul's smashing performance was staged or calculated.
I seem to recall reading that Kurt Cobain asked the producer of Saturday Night Live if it would be OK to smash his guitar during Nirvana's appearance. Somehow I don't think Bob Stinson asked for permission to fling his lovely Les Paul over his head to the rear of the stage after the 'Mats lone SNL performance...
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