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Post by torethatbridgeout on Oct 22, 2003 0:04:23 GMT -5
On vinyl, it'd be cool if the first side ended with the original version and side two started with the other one.
In fact, that's how it'd work out, taking into account the track list snafu.
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Nickel
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Post by Nickel on Oct 22, 2003 3:21:22 GMT -5
I saw the first two Guthrie shows and enjoyed those versions most. Much more honest. The DVD version could be even better.
I first version on CD loses the meaning. The 2nd is fine until the drums kickin. I like them, but would take the others over them in a heartbeat.
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Post by fungo on Oct 22, 2003 13:25:18 GMT -5
Anyone else think Paul was seriously choked up at the end of Crackle and Drag on the DVD. That was a great version.
On the CD I'd probably say the alternate, but I like the raw vocals on the original. (Reminds me of Johnny (Rotten) Lydon a little bit.)
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The Muggler
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Post by The Muggler on Oct 22, 2003 20:33:09 GMT -5
The version on the DVD is my favorite. I even ripped an mp3 of that and Everything Goes Wrong so I could add them to the main disc on a cdr.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Oct 23, 2003 21:46:36 GMT -5
I love the alt. version best of all three. The bass and drums add so much to the song. The stripped down acoustic version on the DVD sounds too much like a Stereo outtake, but the alt. version fits in great with the rest of the album.
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Post by jodi, queen of the underground on Oct 25, 2003 13:47:42 GMT -5
I saw the first two Guthrie shows and enjoyed those versions most. Much more honest. The DVD version could be even better. i agree with Nickel, I like the guthrie versions best (and lucky for me i have them on mp3). i really DO NOT like the orignal take on CMFT, i just skip past it. it just sounds so wrong somehow. but i can handle the alternate.
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Post by Michael on Oct 28, 2003 0:55:55 GMT -5
I think that the version from the DETROIT show is the best of any that I have heard.
Like any PW song though, I am liking the 2 on the CD better each time that I hear them.
I would like Paul to take the best songs from all of the bootlegs from the 2002 shows, throw them on a CD and put them out as a Live CD. I'd really just like to see him make a few bucks from it. Even though most of us have some of these CDs, I am sure that most of us would kick out 15 bucks for a CD that Paul would make a few bucks for his family.
Everytime I see someone selling a bootleg of Paul's shows or of the 'Mats on eBay, I want to send the seller a letter and ask them to send Paul his 'DESERVED COMMISSION' from their sale !!
I have a few excellent illegal pictures that I took at the Detroit show that I'd let him use for the cover !!
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Post by scoOter on Oct 28, 2003 10:04:11 GMT -5
the acoustic versions of crackle on the cd & dvd fall a little short of the live versions i heard last summer. great song! i was TOTALLY floored by the rip roaring version of the song on the cd.
that one is my favorite.
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Post by Johnny99 on Oct 28, 2003 16:29:10 GMT -5
I like the rockin' original take. And like someone mentioned before, the vocals have an early PIL/Lydonesque quality. Great stuff.
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Post by crawlingkingsnake on Oct 28, 2003 23:37:36 GMT -5
For me it'd have to depend on what mood im in. when im a bit more somber i like listening to the dvd or alternate versions. but when im in a bit more of an angry mood the original take from the cd really suits me.
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Post by GtrPlyr on Oct 29, 2003 0:15:02 GMT -5
I love the rawness of the original take, but the lyrics and melody really pop-out on the alt. version. The original take is more of a Friday night version, while the alt. version seems more Sunday afternoon.
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Post by larryt on Oct 29, 2003 12:41:06 GMT -5
I'm glad that someone posted about this...I was real dissapointed with the album version. Crackle& Drag was one of my favorite songs from last years show.....and all year I've been listening to shows from various cities. IMO, the best version is from the Bowery Ballroom in New York, where Paul actually read the lyrics from his personal notebook (therefore not screwing up or forgetting the words!) larryt
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SF69
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Post by SF69 on Nov 3, 2003 14:55:28 GMT -5
What really sold me on the original take is the guitar artifical harmonics in the chorus. I get chills when I hear it.
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Post by jodi, queen of the underground on Nov 3, 2003 23:12:04 GMT -5
i really DO NOT like the orignal take on CMFT, i just skip past it. it just sounds so wrong somehow. i'm officially changing my mind, the original, it's not so repulsive as i first thought. but i still like the alt. better.
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ih8music
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Post by ih8music on Nov 4, 2003 16:32:38 GMT -5
Not to sound too gushy, but I love all 3 versions of this song. I agree with previous posts about the original take - very reminiscent of Lydon/Rotten/PIL. The drums and bass in the alt. version work surprisingly well, and the DVD version is the version that I came to love from last year's tour.
But the BEST version, IMHO, is the first time he played it live (I think) at the Portland in-store. It was the last song of a horrible set (this was the performance in which he gave the "bunch of f*cking bums!" version of Skyway).
He was in a crummy mood, and he played it very sparingly and slow w/ an electric. You can actually hear the gasps of awe from the audience. Intense - and the perfect setting for this wonderfully miserable song.
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Post by torethatbridgeout on Nov 4, 2003 18:14:34 GMT -5
He played it at the Guthrie shows in Minneapolis that started the tour, but I had a friend at the Portland show who would agree with everything you said, except I think he got so disgusted he left and might have missed this song there.
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Post by JakeMcBean on Nov 5, 2003 9:07:44 GMT -5
The Original Version has more than grown on me, many times it is the only track I'll listen to.
Now without the alt version I probably would never have understood the song.
But just take the intro: two seconds of the main musical theme and then bamm - "THE END". Sends chills up my spine. From that point on it rocks.
Have you tried laying out the words from both versions next to each other? Two completly different songs, kind of a variations on a theme by Westerberg.
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Post by ElegantMule on Nov 19, 2003 0:50:39 GMT -5
The versions I heard at the first two Guthrie shows in Minneapolis took my breath away. The second night I took out my cell phone and called my best friend - ended up leaving that song on her voicemail. (I know - LAME.) But I almost cried that second night, it was so intense. I really don't like the album versions much, but I'll take them over nothing.
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mr_rabbit
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Post by mr_rabbit on Nov 20, 2003 9:58:41 GMT -5
I didnt get the chance to hear it live, but CD wise i enjoy the original take. Theres something more immediate and attention getting with it being 'plugged in'. Now i almost exclusively enjoy unplugged versions of all music over studio contrived finished products but not in this case...
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Post by torethatbridgeout on Nov 21, 2003 14:21:20 GMT -5
The Original Version intro: two seconds of the main musical theme and then bamm - "THE END". Sends chills up my spine. From that point on it rocks. Have you tried laying out the words from both versions next to each other? Two completly different songs, kind of a variations on a theme by Westerberg. I don't hear "THE END." I hear "A.M." Which I took as a radio reference without really thinking about it, but now I'm wondering if maybe it's "Am" like an A-minor chord. I agree about the lyric comparison being interesting. Here's sumpin': In the alt. version, he says "you can't fix her with a cold stare, she's all broken inside." But on the original I think the cold stare is Sylvia's. He reworked it quite a bit, keeping some of the same words and images.
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