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Post by Kathy on Sept 7, 2005 17:24:58 GMT -5
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Post by GoddamnJob290 on Sept 7, 2005 17:54:42 GMT -5
Hmm...Adams seems to have gotten over his little feud with Paul...
That's a really nice beard.
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Post by cellarfullofnoise on Sept 7, 2005 21:00:48 GMT -5
THIS is a nice beard ...  actually I think he IS going for the John Berryman look  |
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Post by brianlux on Sept 7, 2005 21:04:08 GMT -5
OK, I plead ingnorant. What was the fued about and what is Ryan Adam's music like?
(Note to self: Keep more in touch with contemporary culture).
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Post by cellarfullofnoise on Sept 7, 2005 21:07:20 GMT -5
OK, I plead ingnorant. What was the fued about and what is Ryan Adam's music like? (Note to self: Keep more in touch with contemporary culture). Ryan was just jealous that Paul double-majored in dentistry and podiatry. |
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Post by brianlux on Sept 7, 2005 21:30:31 GMT -5
So did he do a song called "Tommy Gets his Toenails Out"?
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Post by jlsgli on Sept 7, 2005 23:12:49 GMT -5
saw him this past summer, i thought he was trying to live out some kind of dead head fantasy.a friend of mine at a local radio station interviewed him,also said he did'nt smell to well either!but i think this is some fad,that i hope will soon pass.
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Post by scoOter on Sept 8, 2005 9:46:54 GMT -5
Maybe we should get him more guitars and more hotel rooms. i'm finding myself agreeing with the little punk here. |
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Post by GoddamnJob290 on Sept 8, 2005 16:05:06 GMT -5
OK, I plead ingnorant. What was the fued about and what is Ryan Adam's music like? (Note to self: Keep more in touch with contemporary culture). Paul said some disparaging things about Adams back in a 2002 interview. Basically he called him a poseur and expressed his desire to "kick his teeth down his throat" (whether these things were said jokingly or maliciously is up for debate). Ryan took offense and the next time he played MPLS (about a year or so after these comments were printed, mind you), he got drunk and spent the entire show calling Paul a slew of names (the term "bitter old bitch" stood out most to me). Jim DeRogatis (everyone's favorite music critic) did a write up of this show where he was absolutely SAVAGE to Adams and this prompted the now semi-famous incident of Adams' leaving a drunken, angry message on DeRogatis' answering machine, which DeRogatis then put on the internet for all to hear. Fun stuff. Musically, Ryan Adams has roots in the mid 90s alt.country movement (he used to front Whiskeytown, one of that movement's more famous bands, called the Nirvana of alt.country by Rolling Stone, for whatever that's worth) and while he isn't strictly alt.country anymore, that genre still informs most of what he does now (and I'm saying this as someone who has heard a limited amount of his stuff, so I could very wrong and I'm certainly no expert). |
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Post by Placemat on Sept 8, 2005 16:21:44 GMT -5
Based on the guy's press, I'd say Paul summed it up well.
That being said, RA has many great songs. Even his bad stuff is better than most crap out there.
I wouldn't say he's Parsons for a new generation (like some), but it's good heart-on-your-sleeve rock with twang.
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Post by Placemat on Sept 8, 2005 17:40:44 GMT -5
Ryan took offense and the next time he played MPLS (about a year or so after these comments were printed, mind you), he got drunk and spent the entire show calling Paul a slew of names (the term "bitter old bitch" stood out most to me). Jim DeRogatis (everyone's favorite music critic) did a write up of this show where he was absolutely SAVAGE to Adams and this prompted the now semi-famous incident of Adams' leaving a drunken, angry message on DeRogatis' answering machine, which DeRogatis then put on the internet for all to hear. Fun stuff. Musically, Ryan Adams has roots in the mid 90s alt.country movement (he used to front Whiskeytown, one of that movement's more famous bands, called the Nirvana of alt.country by Rolling Stone, for whatever that's worth) and while he isn't strictly alt.country anymore, that genre still informs most of what he does now (and I'm saying this as someone who has heard a limited amount of his stuff, so I could very wrong and I'm certainly no expert). I wouldn't consider being called Nirvana a compliment,  but Whiskeytown was a fine band, & Strangers Almanac is a great record. & That answering machine message was priceless.  Speaking of that Mpls show, anybody have it for trade? I wouldn't mind hearing the guy make an ass of himself. |
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Post by ElegantMule on Sept 9, 2005 7:41:47 GMT -5
While we don't want to trade in rumors on PW, we can do it for Ryan Adams, right?
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Post by Placemat on Sept 9, 2005 10:17:58 GMT -5
While we don't want to trade in rumors on PW, we can do it for Ryan Adams, right? Why, you got any? |
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Post by shoplifter on Sept 9, 2005 14:55:33 GMT -5
Ryan took offense and the next time he played MPLS (about a year or so after these comments were printed, mind you), he got drunk and spent the entire show calling Paul a slew of names (the term "bitter old bitch" stood out most to me). Jim DeRogatis (everyone's favorite music critic) did a write up of this show where he was absolutely SAVAGE to Adams and this prompted the now semi-famous incident of Adams' leaving a drunken, angry message on DeRogatis' answering machine, which DeRogatis then put on the internet for all to hear. Fun stuff. Musically, Ryan Adams has roots in the mid 90s alt.country movement (he used to front Whiskeytown, one of that movement's more famous bands, called the Nirvana of alt.country by Rolling Stone, for whatever that's worth) and while he isn't strictly alt.country anymore, that genre still informs most of what he does now (and I'm saying this as someone who has heard a limited amount of his stuff, so I could very wrong and I'm certainly no expert). I wouldn't consider being called Nirvana a compliment, but Whiskeytown was a fine band, & Strangers Almanac is a great record. & That answering machine message was priceless. Speaking of that Mpls show, anybody have it for trade? I wouldn't mind hearing the guy make an ass of himself. 12-14-03: First Avenue - Minneapolis, Minnesota "This song goes out to the old man that wants to kick my teeth in. You want to? Come on! Come on, old man. Come on, old man." "The Stills, ladies and gentlemen. A very, very nice band. They're a great band, The Stills, we love them. They're great to be with, great songs. They're so good looking that really retarded Minneapolis journalists confuse them for The Strokes. That's like the new get out of jail free card for idiot journalists. 'Well, they're good looking, the songs are good, oh just say they look like The Strokes.' They're like The Strokes, they're like The Strokes. Do your fucking homework. I love it. There's like, 'They're nothing like them though. The song's really good, but I don't really like it. The song's really good, they're all very good looking, so they're kinda like The Strokes.' It's like, they're from Canada, they can't even throw a grenade far enough to hit a Stroke! No diss to you guys, but not that you guys even got grenades though. You guys just got really mean Post-It notes. 'Don't fuck with us anymore! Love, Canada.' No, it's true! Which is probably because your country doesn't fuck with people. Although doing that would be a lot like The Strokes though, wouldn't it? Fucking with people. But only if you looked good when you were doing it. And if you did it staccato, like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, fuck you! Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, fuck you! Well, it's true. But Hall and Oates did that, and I don't think they even got laid though or anything. They just got money, which is sometimes better than laid. Which can equal having no money or...I don't know. Coincidentally, this next song doesn't sound like The Strokes. It sounds like Paul because, you know, I'm young, and I like to drink, and I like to sing loud. So if anyone has his cell phone number, tell him to come down and kick my teeth down my throat. Old man." "This is a great club, and like we love this club, but if you play, the amplifiers want to make everything feedback, and so we can't tell what we're doing onstage. So instead of getting into like a really bad mood, I'm just gonna make the set like this. No, because I'm not gonna sell you out because there's a problem, it's not even First Avenue's problem, it's like a technical thing, like all of our amps, they just go 'ERRRRRRRR!' Even when we want them to do that, I have all of these pedals to try to make them do that, but they wanna do that anyway, and I don't wanna them to do that. I don't know if you want the rest of your show to be like this, but this is the only way to make it any kinda good. Also, I think that this is probably what the Grateful Dead would do if they had a problem. If you don't like that band, then I don't fucking care. Whatever. Hey, you know, I've always said that I loved Black Flag, and I got to meet Keith Morris, and he was really nice to me. He was so sweet. And I've always said that I loved the Grateful Dead, and I met Bob Weir. And he was nice to me, even though we used to forever call him Bob Weird because he is fucked up! And, you know, ever since I was a kid, you know, I liked The Cure and The Smiths, but my favorite band was The Replacements, ya know? And that guy, that guy from the Replacements like made me feel like I wanted to play music and be fearless, and I did that, and he inspired me, and then he went in the press, and he told me that he thought someone should kick my teeth down my throat. So fuck him. None of my business. I don't care, you know, I always love coming into Minneapolis, like so many great bands, like Husker Du and Soul Asylum and The Replacements, and they inspire me, and I don't really care what that guy has to say, so fuck him. You know, his records still make me feel so good, even if he has to be an old, coy bastard. It's just like, you know what? There's Paul Auster books down the street at your bookstore, go read 'em, and don't attack people that are influenced by you, you fucking old man. Like, I wouldn't have a career if it wasn't for The Replacements. You taught me how to play music. How fucking dare you get on me because you influenced me to like make my life to be rock and roll. You should be happy! You should be happy that people wanna fucking play rock! And like, you know, like be earnest. I'm not earnest because like I'm young and like to, you know, have a drink and like wanna speak my mind. How fucking bitter and wrong. Nobody would ever do that. Lou Reed doesn't even do that. So to you, Paul Westerberg, I say fuck you! You fucking bitter old bitch! Get over it, you queen! What a piece of shit. And I will still like him for the rest of my life, I will still honor him, and I say, I'm glad that you were mean to me in the press because it's gonna make me write a better song than you every fucking day of my life. Or try...because you really can't. Anyway." "You don't like it, but I don't care. Do you like it? I don't care." "This is like the worst show I've ever played, I love it!" "It's okay, you know, it's like the last night of like our, we all have the flu, and like we're tired, and I suck, I just suck, it's okay, and my songs aren't good, and fuck it, it doesn't matter, I don't care, I just wanna go home, I don't care. No, I'm like not riling you, like it's, yeah, it's true, fuck it, it doesn't matter, it's all bullshit. I don't care." "I'm like so sick of this whole thing, you know it? I wanna go home for Christmas. Fuck it, I don't care." "I'm so mad, I'm like so mad that The Stills got that write-up that they I think are so genuine and so heartfelt, you know? And they really wanna play their songs. These are like kids, you know? They're like individuals that wanna like play their music. They like wrote that music in their bedroom, they wanna play. And your fucking paper writes a diss, a whole page diss on them? And then I come to town and like that fucking guy from The Replacements, like my biggest fucking hero, he disses me? Like fuck everything, I don't care, man. What a horrible fucking thing. I'm going home for Christmas, Happy Christmas. Whatever. Forget it. I quit. Fuck it. What is it? You know what? Go home and like listen to your records and don't listen to new bands because they're just gonna be influenced by somebody else, and they're just gonna kick you in the balls. What a bullshit thing. Fuck it. Whatever." For more...go here: http://come_pick_me_up.tripod.com/concerts.html#14Dec03 |
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Post by TomT on Sept 9, 2005 16:31:11 GMT -5
Oh, that's a thing of beauty. Thanks Shoplifter.
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Post by DuluthToMadison on Sept 9, 2005 16:45:15 GMT -5
If you haven't heard to Ryan's stuff you should give it a listen. The Whiskeytown album "Stanger's Almanac" is terrific and I would rank his latest, "Cold Roses" as my favorite disc of this year. I'd be happy to send out a mix CD to the first three to reply.
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Post by jramats on Sept 9, 2005 18:39:55 GMT -5
I never really have been a huge RA fan. I saw him when I lived in Chapel Hill and he was just getting started--before Whiskeytown, the earliest incarnation of the band, etc. It was always just too derivative for me. But there is no denying that the guy has talent. And the armchair therapist in me sees the point of his rant. Imagine you idolized Westerberg growing up (not too hard, is it?) and he inspires you to pick up a guitar and you get some success and then the idol comes off with a line like that (wants to kick your teeth.) How would you feel and how would you react? Probably the same way Westerberg would: get drunk as hell and throw counter-punches.
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Post by Placemat on Sept 9, 2005 18:52:49 GMT -5
Oh, that's a thing of beauty. Thanks Shoplifter. What Tom said! ;D |
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Post by Shell on Sept 9, 2005 18:56:59 GMT -5
I have to say, I really do like his music, but I'm not a big fan of Ryan on a more personal level. Just seems like too much of a brat....and not the cute/funny kind. Apparently when he played here the crowd was shouting for him to play Summer of '69 and whatnot (granted, not very original) and he got angry and proceeded to yell things such as, "SHUT UP! I make more money in one day that you people ever will."
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Post by angela on Sept 10, 2005 7:36:16 GMT -5
Check out this picture of Ryan from RS.com today  That's, uh, that's not, uh... really a good look for him. It looks like he's going for that 'homeless drunk' look. He's really pulling it off too. |
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but Whiskeytown was a fine band, & Strangers Almanac is a great record.
