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Post by teddinard on Oct 27, 2017 7:07:17 GMT -5
You see, I don't find the Replacements to be "very one dimensional", far from it. I actually find bands like Tom Petty and many others to be "one dimensional". to clarify, musically one dimensional. Mars just drums slower or faster. I cant think of a unique bass bit. Absence of any real backing vocals. Live did they ever stretch out songs improvisationaly or was the spontaneity more trying songs they didnt know? OK now I'm realizing you're kidding around. Mats fans like the way Chris Mars drums. Tommy is a great bass player. "I Hate Music" came on a playlist yesterday, and the bass line was reckless and all over the place, in the best possible way. Maybe you don't really listen to the Replacements? You say the music is "one dimensional." But I can't think of what you mean. They have a record at the beginning of their career called Sorry Ma Forgot to Take Out the Trash. They have another one at the end called All Shook Down, and much else in between. I wouldn't know what a person means who says they sound the same, though I have met people who can't even tell if a song is slow or fast...it always baffles me. Look I don't want to waste time insulting Tom Petty. But the only reason I could even say he has a drummer in his band is that I probably would have noticed if he didn't. I guess there is that horrible, "boogie" interlude in "American Girl," which I wince at every time I happen to hear it in the supermarket or while pumping gas. But the tempo of pretty much every song of his I can think of is the same, with the same congested vocals and undistinguished AOR playing. At least he doesn't have long boring guitar solos, I'll give him that. You really owe it to yourself to listen to the Replacements. From "Takin a Ride" to "Androgynous" to "Here Comes a Regular" to "Nightclub Jitters" to "I'll Be You" and "Nobody"...your eyes will be opened. Here's some boring drumming from Chris Mars at the Maxwell's show:
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Post by teddinard on Oct 26, 2017 23:04:40 GMT -5
It amazes me how conservative some Mats fans are, and I don't mean in a political sense. If a band came out and played a meandering 10-minute version of "Walk On the Wild Side," I'd either be bored, or I'd laugh if it was funny, as it probably would be if the Mats were doing it. If they said "fuck you and your city!" I'd probably raise my beer and say "hey hey! fuck you too, ha ha." If they said "fuck the band we're opening for!" I'd applaud. That's why I'm a Mats fan. I like a disrespectful attitude, I don't have any sacred cows. Who goes to a rock concert to be respected?! If I had waited a year for my favorite band to come to town adn just dropped $50 to see them and they played poorly for 20 minutes and walked off I'd be unhappy.... Better 20 minutes of interesting than an hour and a half of AOR bland.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 26, 2017 10:17:33 GMT -5
It amazes me how conservative some Mats fans are, and I don't mean in a political sense.
If a band came out and played a meandering 10-minute version of "Walk On the Wild Side," I'd either be bored, or I'd laugh if it was funny, as it probably would be if the Mats were doing it. If they said "fuck you and your city!" I'd probably raise my beer and say "hey hey! fuck you too, ha ha."
If they said "fuck the band we're opening for!" I'd applaud. That's why I'm a Mats fan. I like a disrespectful attitude, I don't have any sacred cows.
Who goes to a rock concert to be respected?!
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Post by teddinard on Oct 25, 2017 14:30:07 GMT -5
Reading thru one would say the general sense in the thread is that hoods view is probably correct. Sabotaging someone else's show/tour you've agreed to play by intentionally being as horrible as possible is a much more offensive case of assholery "Sabotaging" is melodramatic. They weren't happy, they weren't liked by the Tom Petty fans, they were ornery, and often played badly. The tour went on, crowds were satisfied. I'm sure no Tom Petty fan went home and said "I would have had a great time if it weren't for that awful opening act." The Mats may have even facilitated their satisfaction. They gave Tom Petty and his fans somebody to feel superior to.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 22, 2017 13:03:51 GMT -5
And another thing. I don't know why everybody's hung up on the originality of the line "rebel without a clue." Bonnie Tyler released a song with that title in 1986, three years before Don't Tell a Soul came out.
I don't blame Westerberg for using it, in his own way, nor do I blame Tom Petty.
In "I'll Be You," it's a confession, in "Into the Great Wide Open," maybe it's more like a sneer. I know which one I prefer.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 22, 2017 12:41:02 GMT -5
I'm just going to leave this here in case anybody doesn't know how great a songwriter Patterson Hood is. In case you wanna cry: Still dry-eyed I'm afraid. Very much not my kind of thing. But I know fine people respect the guy, so maybe I should give some of his other songs a chance.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 22, 2017 0:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by teddinard on Oct 21, 2017 18:55:03 GMT -5
Nice to see some spirited discussion on the board! I agree, Hood's take sort of makes it look like Petty was taking a shot at the Mat's with 'Wide Open' even as he praises the artfulness of it. I just don't think his viewpoint holds water when you look at the lyrics. I agree with you. I think the spirit of "into the great wide open" is about wide-open possibility, not mockery. We're all without a clue, anyway, with the great big wide world in front of us. I don't think Tom Petty was mocking that, though maybe the song is a little amused, as we all should be.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 21, 2017 11:27:33 GMT -5
Well, Tom Petty's death has no bearing on how I feel about his music. But I'm willing to apply the word "distasteful" to the Hood guy alone and leave Tom Petty out of it. You're probably right, it's a half-baked theory that doesn't make much sense of the song, such as it is. The Hood guy says in the article he never met Tom Petty anyway. Hood wasn't disrespectful at all he was just commenting on what he thought the basis of the song was. And it's totally plausible in my view. disrespectful ≠ distasteful I was saying that I find the song distasteful if it's parodying the Replacements or anybody, really, for being a screwup. Maybe Tom Petty didn't mean it that way. But if I hear it the way this Hood guy wants me to, I don't like it. That interpretation makes Tom Petty look bad for mocking people who are beneath him.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 21, 2017 10:59:09 GMT -5
The Replacements were an answer last night on Jeopardy under the category "r"ock bands. Seems like the clue was something like 'This band was formed in Minneapolis and featured Tommy Stinson and they were known for chaotic shows.' The next answer was The Ramones and mentioned that Tommy was the last to pass away of the original members. They were referred to as a 1-2-3-4 rock band. Did a contestant get the answer right?
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Post by teddinard on Oct 20, 2017 17:32:55 GMT -5
Well, Tom Petty's death has no bearing on how I feel about his music.
But I'm willing to apply the word "distasteful" to the Hood guy alone and leave Tom Petty out of it. You're probably right, it's a half-baked theory that doesn't make much sense of the song, such as it is.
The Hood guy says in the article he never met Tom Petty anyway.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 20, 2017 17:00:41 GMT -5
I took the trouble to find the lyrics of "Into the Great Wide Open," a song I don't admire.
In the article, the Drive-By Truckers guy says it's "a satirical song about a musical screwup called 'Into the Great Wide Open.'"
If that's true, I like it even less than I thought. The only "satire" I find is Westerberg's lifted line, and then "Their A&R man said 'I don't hear a single.'"
If that's Petty's (or the Drive-By Truckers guy's) idea of satire of a "screwup," then fuck them. I stand with the screwups. Sorry Tom Petty, we can't all have our A&R man tell us what a great single we have. And when Paul uses the line, it's with affection and compassion for everybody who doesn't have a clue (me included), not contempt.
Distasteful.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 7, 2017 12:45:06 GMT -5
Does the vinyl come with a download code? Yes it does, at least from Amazon. I haven't received the LPs yet, but downloaded the MP3s yesterday.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 7, 2017 9:52:39 GMT -5
I haven't had time to listen to it carefully on my home system. But I played the Sorry Ma "Takin a Ride" against the For Sale one on my computer speakers, and there was no comparison, though I love the studio cut. It could be a Loudness Wars effect though.
What would be the competition for you? I love the production on Pleased to Meet Me, and I think Litt made All Shook Down just the way it's supposed to sound.
But I'm wondering if For Sale will take the top spot of presenting the band sounding their best, the platonic ideal of the Mats sound. I don't think Let It Be or Sorry Ma quite do that, and the less said about the sound of Tim (my favorite record) the better.
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Post by teddinard on Oct 6, 2017 21:00:23 GMT -5
Dammit I ordered it (LPs) on Amazon. Don't suppose there's any chance it'll have the dolls and stuff in the package, right?
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Post by teddinard on Sept 27, 2017 6:41:58 GMT -5
^^^^ Yeah, rhyming "gin" with "tongue" just doesn't have the same panache. Creative license... I do think it is an intentional "mistake." The song is all about the woman being mixed up and frantic in a charming way, trying to hail an ambulance, etc. Wanting more rum in a Singapore Sling just fits the pattern...
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Post by teddinard on Sept 26, 2017 20:02:07 GMT -5
a mail order ring wrapped tightaround a Singapore Sling at nightthinking to yourself it needs some more rumuse me to lean againstyou try to hail an ambulancetry sticking out your tongueNot too many songwriters can write shit like this. It's especially good because Singapore Slings don't have rum in them.
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Post by teddinard on Sept 17, 2017 14:08:02 GMT -5
Damn! Maybe my favorite song on Sorry Ma, and this version smokes. Bob is locked in.
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Post by teddinard on Sept 17, 2017 13:27:52 GMT -5
Just went and saw the remake of Stephen King's 'It' which is set in 1989 this time. About 45 minutes into the movie, the character of Beverly Marsh goes into her bedroom and on the wall is a gig poster for The Replacements, at the bottom the opener is listed as Fresh Young Fellows. P.S. THEY ALL FLOAT Also noticed this! The poster looked like this, although IT is set in Maine: I have that one on the wall of my office. You can still buy them. www.wolfgangs.com/the-replacements/posters/poster/GFC871206.html
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Post by teddinard on Aug 10, 2017 15:18:07 GMT -5
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