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Dec 30, 2017 17:40:23 GMT -5
Post by raccoon on Dec 30, 2017 17:40:23 GMT -5
Coldplay. Yuck!
The word that comes to mind is 'tepid.'
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Jan 12, 2018 17:33:22 GMT -5
Post by raccoon on Jan 12, 2018 17:33:22 GMT -5
So...what if, like baseball, the use of PEDs (Performace enhancing drugs) kept candidates out of the Hall of Fame? Would anybody be in? (Please don't mention the Motor City Madman - He is already in the douche HOF).
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Jan 13, 2018 11:29:28 GMT -5
Post by holeinthedrapes on Jan 13, 2018 11:29:28 GMT -5
So...what if, like baseball, the use of PEDs (Performace enhancing drugs) kept candidates out of the Hall of Fame? Would anybody be in? (Please don't mention the Motor City Madman - He is already in the douche HOF). Springsteen
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Jan 13, 2018 18:13:58 GMT -5
Post by FreeRider on Jan 13, 2018 18:13:58 GMT -5
Frank Zappa, but he was an asshole, not a drug user....
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Jan 20, 2018 10:15:30 GMT -5
Post by 4x8 on Jan 20, 2018 10:15:30 GMT -5
yes, but did you LIKE the polka stuff growing up? did you go home from school as a teenager and hurry to put on polka records? Studies also say that the teen years is also a part of one's identity forming and music plays into it. I grew up listening to the usual pop stuff as a pre teen: Beatles, Elton John, a lot of the late 60's/early 70's pop stuff; but I also listened to jazz (big band, be-bop, modern) because I played tenor sax in the jazz ensemble in junior and high school and the symphonic band. Then around 15 or so, I really got into the Mississippi delta blues stuff (John Hammond Jr, Jorma Kaukonen, Rev. Gary Davis, other acoustic blues stuff) and more harder rock. I don't listen to jazz that much, but occasionally tune into the local jazz station and classical at times. But the preference tends to go for classic rock/garage band stuff of my youth. But I'll listen to lots of different stuff but not necessarily seek it out. “It seems that taste crystalizes around the music one is exposed to from around 16-24 years of age,” Dr. Adrian North, who heads the School of Psychology at Curtain University in Australia and was not involved in the study, told The Huffington Post in an email. “However, our actual listening continues to evolve thereafter in two ways. First, we do listen to new music, but with a bias towards that which sounds similar to that we listened to aged 16-24. So if you grew up listening to U2 you now listen to Coldplay, for instance. Second, the actual pieces we listen to tend to become more complex as we get older.”more from the article at: www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/21/taste-in-music-age_n_7344322.htmlI guess looking back, polkas were a family thing and I never got into sitting and listening to them. My high school years (graduated 1977) were filled with 60s and 70's rock... Beatles, Aerosmith, Elton John, Chicago... In my early 20's I started listening big time to the punk and new wave groups and I guess that formed the base for me seeking out that type of music and digging into non-radio friendly rock the rest of my life. Developing a love of the blues later fit right into liking the music that influenced the groups I liked, Zepplin, Stones... Good points Freerider, thanks for sharing.
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Jan 21, 2018 22:13:41 GMT -5
Post by FreeRider on Jan 21, 2018 22:13:41 GMT -5
What's even more interesting is how music can give you the chills. Or goosebumps, skin tingles, whatever you wanna call it. My cousin told me that there are studies that show that the chills response is quite similar to the brain's response to sexual activity in that it releases dopamine and these pleasure inducing brain chemicals. I took it for granted that everyone had that response but it turns out that not everyone does. My cousin said that some people process music very cerebrally as their response to music that moves them. Like the technical performances, or the cleverness of the lyrics, for example. Excerpt: For some people it’s David Bowie. For others it’s Franz Liszt. But regardless of the genre, when the right chords combine, many people will get goose bumps or a chill up the spine.
Somewhere between a half to two-thirds of the population have this reaction, yet scientists have long debated why. Past research has shown that when experiencing “the chills,” the neurotransmitter dopamine floods through the body. But a new study published in the journal Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience details what happens in the brain when the soprano hits the high note, reports Ian Sample for The Guardian.
These reactions are known as frissons—an aesthetic chill also sometimes called a “skin orgasm,” Mitchell Colver, doctoral student at Utah State University, writes for The Conversation. Though they are usually associated with listening to music, some can even get the willies while looking at art or watching a movie.
To investigate what happens in the brain during the chills, a group of researchers from Harvard and Wesleyan University selected ten people who claimed that they regularly experience a frisson while listening to music. He also selected ten subjects who never experienced the phenomenon.
The researchers found that the brains of individuals who occasionally feel a chill while listening to music were wired differently than the control subjects. They had more nerve fibers connecting auditory cortex, the part of the brain that processes sound, to their anterior insular cortex, a region involved in processing feelings. The auditory cortex also had strong links to parts of the brain that may monitor emotions.
So why do so many get the chills when the music is just right? “The chills is a sensation we get when we’re cold. It doesn’t really make sense that your hair would stand on end, or that you’d get these goosebumps in response to music,” Matthew Sachs, an author of the paper, tells Sample. “We think that the connectivity between the auditory cortex and these other regions is allowing music to have that profound emotional response in these people. It’s very hard to know whether or not this is learned over time, or whether these people naturally had more fibers. All we can say is there are differences that might explain the behavior we see.”
Colver, who has also studied the phenomenon, says that previous research shows that the ability to experience a frisson is related to a personality trait called Openness to Experience. But his research suggests that those who experience the chills while listening to music weren’t always those having a deep emotional connection. Instead, his study showed that people engaged in the music more intellectually, like trying to predict the melody or putting mental imagery to the music, were more likely to get a shiver when the music deviated from their expectations in a positive way. read the rest here: www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/researchers-look-what-happens-brain-when-music-causes-chills-180959481/
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Jan 22, 2018 1:25:47 GMT -5
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Post by towilmusic on Jan 22, 2018 1:25:47 GMT -5
Your 'cousin' huh freerider? Jk...lol
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Jan 22, 2018 10:21:51 GMT -5
Post by FreeRider on Jan 22, 2018 10:21:51 GMT -5
Your 'cousin' huh freerider? Jk...lol well it sure as hell ain't me thinking about this academic stuff, I'm too stupid for that! yes, my cousin is professor of ethnomusicology at UC Riverside in Southern California. She also sits on the Smithsonian Center's Folklife and Hertiage advisory council. Trust me, she's way smarter than me!
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Jan 26, 2018 9:09:01 GMT -5
Post by 4x8 on Jan 26, 2018 9:09:01 GMT -5
Whew, getting into the nuts and bolts of it now. I subscribe more to this explanation - I know it's only rock 'n roll but i like it...
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Jan 26, 2018 11:29:30 GMT -5
Post by FreeRider on Jan 26, 2018 11:29:30 GMT -5
hahahaha! Well said....a sentiment I can get behind! Besides, that's one of my fave Stones songs
It's like when Westerberg was asked about his guitar gear and set up by some reporter and he just kind of brushed it off with, "It's a big red one and it's got wood and wires."
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Mar 2, 2018 20:14:02 GMT -5
Post by FreeRider on Mar 2, 2018 20:14:02 GMT -5
yeah, I'm gotta say the HOF thing just isn't something I care about. In fact, any award show, really. The only thing I may care about are the performances of someone I'm interested in. Otherwise, it's the self congratulatory stuff and the industry creaming all over themselves in hopes it'll boost record sales of someone's back catalog. I remember that Neil Young said in some interview (and I can't find it) back in the early 90's that the HOF should really just shut down and wait awhile. He said the original pioneers and bluesmen should definitely be in there, but then shut it down and see what else emerges. And I'm kind if paraphrasing it, but he said something like otherwise, once you've run out of inductees, there is pressure to keep it going and it turns into something crass. ok, sorry to resurrect this thread just to make a point, but it was driving me crazy trying to find that Neil Young quote about the RRHOF. Well, found it (aren't I a smug asshole now?) April 1993 Musician Magazine , REM Finds Mr. Soul, Neil Young Meets Peter Buck Musician: So what do you think of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Peter Buck: Maybe when I'm 45 I'll dig it. It does kind of smack of this older rich boy's club. But for the people who haven't seen that kind of financial reward, the Ruth Browns and Etta Jameses, it's a great thing. I went to the Grammys one time, and the Grammy show itself is a stultifying boring piece of shit. But if you go in the afternoon when it's not televised and they give out the gospel and blues awards, for them it's often like a validation of their life. It's very moving and people break down and cry...and it's beautiful. It's the real thing. So for that alone they should have the rock and roll hall, for the pioneers, the rhythm and blues folks.... Neil Young: You know, I think the Rock and Roll hall of fame was a great idea when it started out. But I think they ought to close the hall. I think it's full. I think it's too early for a lot of the people who are going in now., and they're just looking for people to go in because they're out of people! Okay? They've got this thing going but let's face it---they've had the whole past to draw on for the first two or three years, and then they took all of that, what really is the hall of fame stuff. And now they've got to come up with new stuff every year: "Let's see, what happened in 1968?" Before they had 50 years to draw from. So they should close it and reopen it. It just came to me. Closed "for renovations and repairs". Due to lack of interest. I think they can say they have enough people in for the foundation. Now they should wait 20 years. Or close it now and call it the "Original Rock and Roll hall of Fame". Then they could have a grand re-opening. And I say that in all sincerity. Close the doors. I think I'm developing an attitude about it.
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Mar 3, 2018 10:10:53 GMT -5
Post by Jer on Mar 3, 2018 10:10:53 GMT -5
Neil Young: You know, I think the Rock and Roll hall of fame was a great idea when it started out. But I think they ought to close the hall. I think it's full. I think it's too early for a lot of the people who are going in now., and they're just looking for people to go in because they're out of people! Okay? They've got this thing going but let's face it---they've had the whole past to draw on for the first two or three years, and then they took all of that, what really is the hall of fame stuff. And now they've got to come up with new stuff every year: "Let's see, what happened in 1968?" Before they had 50 years to draw from. So they should close it and reopen it. It just came to me. Closed "for renovations and repairs". Due to lack of interest. I think they can say they have enough people in for the foundation. Now they should wait 20 years. Or close it now and call it the "Original Rock and Roll hall of Fame". Then they could have a grand re-opening. And I say that in all sincerity. Close the doors. I think I'm developing an attitude about it. Thanks for sharing FR. I get his point. These guys are well spoken artists who I really respect. I liked Buck's comments a lot. I hate the Grammys way more than the RRHOF, even though they've been getting better with their afternoon awards in recent years. At the same time, let's be honest, Neil can be a curmudgeon at times. If it was all Metallica and Chili Peppers getting in these days his words would have more weight. And it's pretty easy (and selfish) for a two-time inductee who's been the exception and remained more or less relevant throughout his career through new music, reinvention, collaborations with younger bands, great charity work, and an impressive back catalog, to say they should close it down when there's still deserving acts waiting for their chance to get in and their moment of (what they might consider) validation and vindication. C'mon Neil, let The Moody Blues and The Cars have their moment too, just like you have - twice. I maintain that it's a flawed institution that certainly isn't run the way I'd like to see it run, but it's a fun thing to discuss and debate. It's lame to see newer bands get in before the bands who paved their way, but it's cool to see the old guys get recognized for their contributions. They do get it right sometimes.
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Mar 3, 2018 11:37:59 GMT -5
Post by FreeRider on Mar 3, 2018 11:37:59 GMT -5
Valid point about Neil being an old cranky dude....but he also said this back in 1993. I wonder what his thoughts are about it now? Especially when Chrissie Hynde and others have asked him to introduce them at their induction honors. What's he gonna say, "No, wait your turn, I want it closed down" ?
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Mar 9, 2018 17:48:17 GMT -5
Post by raccoon on Mar 9, 2018 17:48:17 GMT -5
Nothing is perfect(except tacos)and certainly not the RRHOF voting but I am still glad that there is a museum for this variety of art and an ongoing effort to celebrate excellence in the form. Somewhere there is a disgruntled fan bouncing off the walls at the injustice of Kajagoogoo being excluded from the hall. And that's okay. I'd love to see the Atlanta Rhythm Section in there and it'll probably never happen but it takes nothing away from their importance to me. Likewise, the Mats.
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Mar 9, 2018 20:50:13 GMT -5
Post by anarkissed on Mar 9, 2018 20:50:13 GMT -5
Somewhere there is a disgruntled fan bouncing off the walls at the injustice of Kajagoogoo being excluded from the hall. They're not in there? Goddammitt! What about Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam?
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Post by bigbak on Apr 29, 2018 14:03:17 GMT -5
yes, but did you LIKE the polka stuff growing up? did you go home from school as a teenager and hurry to put on polka records? Studies also say that the teen years is also a part of one's identity forming and music plays into it...I grew up listening to the usual pop stuff as a pre teen: Beatles, Elton John, a lot of the late 60's/early 70's pop...“It seems that taste crystalizes around the music one is exposed to from around 16-24 years of age,” Dr. Adrian North... First off, this is definitely the most thought-provoking and entertaining post I've read on this board in years. Second, my teen years were spent in a community where I was decidedly in the minority (I'm white, the high school I attended had a white student population of 4% (and still does). The bands I heard everyday were the Ohio Players, EW&F, Commodores, O'jays, Bar-Kays, Lakeside, etc. Third, when my older brother left for the Army in '71, he left behind an extensive (and eclectic) record collection, which included Vanilla Fudge, Chocolate Watchband, Frank Zappa, Velvet Underground, The Seeds, etc. Fourth, my three older sisters all loved Pop & Bubblegum music, actually owning albums by the 1910 Fruitgum Company, the Archies, The Osmonds, The Monkees, etc. Fifth, my mother made us clear the living room floor on Sunday afternoons when the Lawrence Welk show came on, and I would have to dance with her to songs originally performed by the Andrew Sisters, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, the Dorsey brothers, etc. Sixth, in those years I absolutely hated KISS, Aerosmith, Judas Priest, Van Halen, etc. Which brings me to this question - why the hell do I like so many 1950's through late '60's Country performers like Red Foley, Ferlin Husky, Lefty Frizell, Wilma Lee Cooper & Brenda Lee? Oh, and Garvey and Murphy should be in the Baseball HOF.
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Apr 29, 2018 23:05:17 GMT -5
Post by FreeRider on Apr 29, 2018 23:05:17 GMT -5
Great exposure to different genres there....also, I should say that while listening to the early 70's pop rock stuff, there wasn't a strict demographically researched niche driven radio programming. There was a lot of cross pollinization, it seems. I'd also hear the Stylistics, Ohio Players, and Stevie Wonder, Kool and the Gang, on the radio.
I think you also find things for yourself that you like as well, maybe you needed a nudge or just some exposure. I also played in the jazz ensemble at school and I had listened to big band jazz as a kid and liked it. I also got more into bebop and some more modern jazz stuff as I got more into playing the tenor sax. It also helped one of my brothers played trumpet and had a jazz record collection, where I'd dive into Dave Brubeck, Phil Woods, Chuck Mangione (his early works, not his pop jazz shit), Cannonball Adderly, Charlie Parker, Weather Report, Chick Corea, etc...
I also started getting waaay into the acoustic, Mississippi delta blues when I started learning guitar. Loved John Hammond Jr, Lightning Hopkins, and then Jorma Kaukonen with Hot Tuna was playing these intricate finger style blues rock.
You must have liked those 50-60's country music artists because you either found it on your own and dug it or somehow you were exposed to it and gently nudged your interest in it perhaps?
Anyway, I would say that I had a pretty wide ranging set of influences and varied tastes growing up. it helps that I played in the school's symphonic band and jazz ensemble in middle and high school years. I got an appreciation and education for different music we were forced to play by the band directors. Copland, Bach, Shostokovich, Souza, etc....
But overall, I still come back to rock and the pop-rock stuff the most even though I'm open to listening to a broad range of things
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May 2, 2018 10:52:46 GMT -5
Post by Jer on May 2, 2018 10:52:46 GMT -5
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May 2, 2018 13:58:42 GMT -5
Post by raccoon on May 2, 2018 13:58:42 GMT -5
Any list that has the Beatles in front of the Stones is fundamentally flawed. It indicates that the writer has serious judgment issues and probably eats yellow matter custard. I did like seeing Chuck Berry at #1 though.
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May 3, 2018 9:25:56 GMT -5
Post by FreeRider on May 3, 2018 9:25:56 GMT -5
Have no problem at all with Chuck Berry at #1 Funny that the writer put Bon Jovi at the bottom. Reminds me of JBJ writing into Musician magazine saying "How can the Replacements be the last,best band of the 80's if I've never heard of them?"
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