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Post by dee on May 30, 2010 5:42:01 GMT -5
I made my own Eventually.
Here it is...
1.These Are The Days
2.Stain Yer Blood
3.Trumpet Clip
4.Love Untold
5.Once Around The Weekend
6.You've Had It With You
7.All That I Had
8.Aint Got Me
9.Century
10.Hide N Seekin'
11.C'mon,C'mon,C'mon
12.Good Day
I picked from the 19 Eventually era trax available and keeping with the album length of 12 songs I put together a song cycle that I really like.Tracks 1-6 kind of document frustration and maybe a desire to withdraw without sacrificing personality while tracks 7-12 are more confessional while highlighting diverse songcraft.It flows.The songs speak to one another.It seems like a blueprint for commercial singer songwriter albums.
Nothing against the songs not picked.They either lost the plot or disrupted the flow for me.
Here's the rest...
Sunshine
MamaDaddyDid
Let's Do It
Angels Walk
Once Around The Weekend(Alt. Version)
Make You're Own Kind Of Music
Time Flies Tomorrow
Eventually has never sat well with me but I don't want to dismiss the whole batch of songs.The more PW I enjoy the better!This track list is now Eventually to me!More tight and focused and less meandering.I'm actually digging the production too!
I guess if you like Eventually and wonder what someone who doesn't like Eventually wish it sounded like,this may be it.And if you don't like Eventually(and you have the means)try out this track list.Maybe you'll dig it.
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Post by scoOter on May 30, 2010 7:49:10 GMT -5
any "eventually" that keeps trumpet clip but bags angels walk is no "eventually" for me.
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Post by deebee76 on May 30, 2010 8:45:01 GMT -5
Eventually is fine as is, for me. There's not much point these days wishing about what might have been. I quite like the album and have grown to like it more as the years have passed. I'm sure, someday, PW's solo albums will be re-issued with extra tracks like some of those mentioned above, and perhaps then Eventually will be seen in a less critical light.
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Post by FreeRider on May 30, 2010 9:10:36 GMT -5
i know the objections to 'eventually', but i never had a problem with it. did Paul leave off some better tunes? probably....he said he left off some song called 'cheyenne' because lyrically it didn't flow with the album. I think there was some other song called 'tear drops in the rain' he left off as well, along with 'c'mon, c'mon'c'mon (little bitch)'....
i wish he'd release some of these other hidden gems!
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Post by sivad on May 30, 2010 9:41:29 GMT -5
Eventually is fine as is, for me. There's not much point these days wishing about what might have been. I quite like the album and have grown to like it more as the years have passed. I'm sure, someday, PW's solo albums will be re-issued with extra tracks like some of those mentioned above, and perhaps then Eventually will be seen in a less critical light. Given time, it seems everything is being reissued, so why not some of PW's work. I'd buy it, but then if he made an album of farts, I'd buy that too ;D |
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Post by dee on May 30, 2010 23:44:12 GMT -5
Here's why I picked Trumpet Clip over Angels Walk...
Trumpet Clip is not a strong enough song to stick in the middle of 6 downbeat tracks,as it is on Eventually,but it is a good momentum builder if placed properly.It's a great groove.
Angels Walk = grating guitar riff,vague non-revelatory lyrics,deliberate forced over-phrasing,Brendan O'Briens very annoying bass work.It seems like they failed to capture whatever it was they were going after.It's an interesting b-side that shouldn't have cracked the album.It's like Paul put it on there to throw Brendan O'Brien a bone after he(Paul) pulled the plug on their sessions.
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Post by TomT on May 31, 2010 5:25:35 GMT -5
Mamadaddydid is too good of a song to be left off. Maybe as a hidden 13th track? Artists really don't do this trick anymore do they. It was a big deal when cd's first came on the market.
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Post by scoOter on May 31, 2010 8:00:11 GMT -5
Trumpet Clip is not a strong enough song to stick in the middle of 6 downbeat tracks,as it is on Eventually,but it is a good momentum builder if placed properly.It's a great groove. to my ears, there has never been a better b side than "trumpet clip". i like the track, and while i agree that it doesn't fit the mood necessarily with the rest of eventually as it is, i still think it belongs as a funny, much-sought-after-because-tommy-plays-on-it-too b side. not a dig, but an observation: i'll bet you hate "runaway wind" as well. opinions are opinions. mine is no more "valid" than yours, i suppose, but i do need to take some exception here. a.) you put "all that i had" on eventually, but to my ears it suffers some/all of the same flaws you think "angels walk" possesses. i like "all that i had" just fine, and was pleased as punch to had it when it was released a couple years back, but my initial reaction was to notice its schmaltzyness. now, i like schmaltz when done right, so it doesn't bother me, but still. b.) i doubt pw would throw anyone he tossed out of the control room "a bone". at any rate, i'm not trying to convince you i am right. i am just making observations. even at his most schmaltzy, i don't know that anyone should throw down a brett michaels comparison. that's probably my thesis statement. |
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Post by brianlux on May 31, 2010 16:54:24 GMT -5
Interesting observations all around. Just goes to show how all of us who are big P.W. fans have differing opinions about specific albums or songs or even song parts.
Although EVENTUALLY isn't my favorite Westerberg solo effort I do like most of it and the album version of ONCE AROUND THE WEEKEND is one of my favorites of Paul's solo work. On the other hand, the spoken word bit on the alternate version of WEEKEND has almost ruined that song for me. When I hear even the album version of that song and it gets to that part of the song, I cringe!
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Post by dee on May 31, 2010 23:34:12 GMT -5
Scooter,you're first impression of All That I Had was probably on par with mine,but when put with the rest of the songs on Eventually it cuts through the mix.If you're making the comparison of Angels Walk to Runaway Wind then I would make the comparison of All That I Had to Things.
I never understood what song was the centerpiece of Eventually.Was it Once Around The Weekend? All That I Had Is obviously "that" song.It's like Boring Enormous.It lets you know, or atleast gives you an approximation of where the artist is at.It doesn't make it the "best" song,but it makes the album more interesting.
Remember,at this time even Peter Jesperson was blasting Paul over quality control and needing an editor and saying Paul was not a good judge of his own material and I'm sure some of his former bandmates agreed.It takes nothing away from his creative talent,but there is an art to track selection and running order and putting out singles that even Paul admits he isn't too savvy about when it comes to his own material.It's a difficult perspective for an artist(of Pauls indulgent nature)to judge and categorize their own material.John Lennon didn't know which Beatles songs were on which Beatles albums.
I'm not saying I'm an expert at it.I just made a version of Eventually that works for me.
It's more dapper to go along with those nice suits PW was rocking in back then.
Angels Walk still sounds like an over produced demo to me.Though I'll admit I am a sucker for the "I'll meet you 'round the block" part.I think maybe Scott Litt could have done something cool with it.I took a bit of a prosecuting attorneys take on the song.I don't hate it that much. I just thought there were already songs that captured better what Time Flies,Angels Walk,and MamaDaddyDid failed to capture.They would make a nice little EP with Make Your Own Kind Of Music thrown on there.
I don't get why people have always blamed Pauls knucklehead dumb Replacements fans for not being able to grasp Eventually.How insulting is that?To Pauls credit I believe he had the material to make a better record,it just wasn't executed as well as it might have been.I still want to hear King Of America!
Oh I'm just rambling...I did retract the Bret Michaels bomb as that was a low blow and I should know better.Sorry!
My criteria really had nothing to do with whether I liked the songs or not.I didn't precalculate what songs to leave off.If I precalculated it I probably would have left off Trumpet Clip,You've Had It With You,and maybe All That I Had.I was kind of surprised I liked it better without the songs I left off.It was an attempt to construct an album that made sense to me.It was Pauls selling point that the record flowed and the biggest flaw upon hearing the album was that,if it did flow,alot of people didn't see it.I like my Joni Mitchell and John Prine records and it's an insult to those records to say that Eventually is just as good,even if it aspires to be.Suicane and Stereo are that good without all the aspirations.
LONG LIVE EVENTUALLY!
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Post by dee on May 31, 2010 23:57:15 GMT -5
Mamadaddydid is too good of a song to be left off. Maybe as a hidden 13th track? Artists really don't do this trick anymore do they. It was a big deal when cd's first came on the market. I was thinking it would be cool if there were different bonus tracks for the same album.It would make the fans all communicate to find out how many different bonus tracks were floating around.They could make one of them really rare.It would be kind of a neat thing. If I wrote the hook for MamaDaddyDid it might take some convincing not to put it on the album...like playing back the bridge or something.Plus Century is pretty hooky too and it's a better song. |
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Post by dee on Jun 1, 2010 0:34:07 GMT -5
As a side note...does anyone know how Paul gets his guitar to sound like a power drill on You've Had It With You?Just cranking the amp?
And can anyone else hear a split second of crazy rock n roll going on just before Time Flies Tomorrow starts?
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Post by ClamsCasino on Jun 1, 2010 11:23:21 GMT -5
For the past couple years Angels Walk has actually been my favorite track off Eventually. And the live versions from A Lot of Songs...Not for Sale and the Live at Fantasy Studios shows are killer. Angels Walk still sounds like an over produced demo to me. Isn't that a contradiction in terms? Is an over-produced demo like a wordy haiku? |
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Post by gah on Jun 1, 2010 19:23:55 GMT -5
Stain Yer Blood
Love Untold
Angel's Walk
3 best songs of the Eventually era
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Post by FreeRider on Jun 1, 2010 21:35:38 GMT -5
As a side note...does anyone know how Paul gets his guitar to sound like a power drill on You've Had It With You?Just cranking the amp? It might also help that he's in open tuning. you get some interesting sounds with an open tuning and pushing the distortion. But I'm guessing for the main riff, he's doing some sort of barre chord, so there isn't any open strings to create any kind of drone, or weird over tones. I've found his distortion on a lot of his songs to be a little harsh. Whatever signal or wavelength the distortion is on, it always sounds a little bit on the colder, brittle side of the signal wave, as opposed to the warmer, smoother distorted sound. At least to my ears, anyway. But as Keith Richards once said (I think), "all you need is the right guitar thru the right amp." It's a combo of the guitar pick ups and amp. |
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Post by cford on Jun 2, 2010 10:17:33 GMT -5
As a side note...does anyone know how Paul gets his guitar to sound like a power drill on You've Had It With You?Just cranking the amp? It might also help that he's in open tuning. you get some interesting sounds with an open tuning and pushing the distortion. But I'm guessing for the main riff, he's doing some sort of barre chord, so there isn't any open strings to create any kind of drone, or weird over tones. But as Keith Richards once said (I think), "all you need is the right guitar thru the right amp." It's a combo of the guitar pick ups and amp. Yea...its sort of a ringing, purposely obnoxious tone...In addtion to the open tuning it could be some funky guitar... Like an old Epiphone or something.. CF |
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Post by scoOter on Jun 2, 2010 15:44:52 GMT -5
love for angels walk!!!!
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Post by dee on Jun 3, 2010 3:07:36 GMT -5
I just watched a live version of Angels Walk on Youtube.It was pretty kick ass.I might ditch Hide N Seekin' and put Angels Walk on my Eventually Redux.Hard to lose Hide N Seekin though."You speak in parables/You lookin' terrible tonight" is pretty good stuff.It's kind of later in the game from the "You wax poetic about things pathetic as long as you look so cute" line in World Class Fad.
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Post by bigbak on Jun 14, 2010 16:49:30 GMT -5
Some interesting takes on Eventually, one of my fave PW albums. However, if there is any song that I would drop from the mix, it would have to be Love Untold, if only for the lyric "And both just in case wear clean underwear"
That lyric makes me cringe to the point that I have to skip an otherwise okay song. In fact, that lyric right there makes Love Untold my very least favorite PW song ever.
But, like the man said, we all have and are entitled to our constitutionally protected opinions.
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Post by dee on Jun 15, 2010 6:41:17 GMT -5
The underwear line is kind of a risky line,but it probably adds the most important element of character study in the song.It's both private and universal.hopeful and vulnerable.It makes the song sadder that these people are going to great lengths to be acceptable to other people,down to being self conscious about their personal hygene,and are still ending up alone.
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