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Post by scoOter on Jun 15, 2010 7:14:24 GMT -5
i love the underwear line.
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Post by BronxTeacher on Jun 15, 2010 15:52:06 GMT -5
I like Eventually a lot, and I think the stuff left off from it would have improved it dramatically.
And I hate the clean underwear line... But even worse is the use of the passive voice, "games would be played/excuses would be made." Pretty cliche, vague, and lazy.
Lyrically, "Skyway" is a much more successful song about unrequited love because of all the little details that Paul puts into it...
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Post by wecantgetanybetter on Jun 15, 2010 15:58:02 GMT -5
I pair Love Untold with Dylan's Simple Twist of Fate. Both a little schmaltzy. I like the underwear line because after listening to it for 10 years or so, I didn't get until someone (maybe here) pointed it out that under normal circumstances, the average person wears clean underwear every day, not just for a date.
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Post by deebee76 on Jun 15, 2010 17:07:31 GMT -5
Love Untold is, hands down, one of Paul's finest songs, IMO. Heart-wrenching and beautiful. Watch him sing the holy hell out of it at the Guthrie in 2002. This gives me chills: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMwetLJy81Y
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Post by FreeRider on Jun 15, 2010 20:21:49 GMT -5
... But even worse is the use of the passive voice, "games would be played/excuses would be made." Pretty cliche, vague, and lazy.... well, maybe. but i liked the next line that follows, "the stupid things they'd say in their prayers." as a kid or teenager, who hasn't wished so very hard for that girl you've been jonesin' for to go out with you or something?
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Post by TomT on Jun 16, 2010 5:55:09 GMT -5
I'm with deebee on this. I love the song. I could compare it to Achin' To Be for its awesomeness.
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Post by daddybrave on Jun 16, 2010 17:32:52 GMT -5
It took me a long time to appreciate this album. I was dead against it for almost 10 years. All of a sudden it hit me like a ton of bricks. Ever since then I decided that I would love every album he put out immediately because I'd wind up there anyway.
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Post by Jer on Jun 17, 2010 6:55:12 GMT -5
I agree. The lyrics in the tune are lazy and cliche. The whole gambling line "checks his sleeve for his ace" is another example of an overused metaphor in rock music from way back. The whole tune seems very phoned in.
To me, it's PW's Runaway Train. An attempt to tap into (or play down to) the adult-alternative audience. Subconsciously perhaps. It's forgivable, sure, but also forgetable.
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Post by Philip Garcia on Jun 17, 2010 11:37:17 GMT -5
I agree. The lyrics in the tune are lazy and cliche. The whole gambling line "checks his sleeve for his ace" is another example of an overused metaphor in rock music from way back. The whole tune seems very phoned in. To me, it's PW's Runaway Train. An attempt to tap into (or play down to) the adult-alternative audience. Subconsciously perhaps. It's forgivable, sure, but also forgetable. Hey now, don't go about bashing runaway train here. Sure it got overplayed, and the album version of it isn't my favorite, but if you had heard the original acoustic versions of the song played in '91, you'd have to disagree about it being "adult alternative". It was just what was going on in the bands mind at the time, and with dave's hearing issues, an all-acoustic album was the idea (although they decided against that in the end). To this day, I get sick of hearing the song, but I still love the early versions of it for some reason. Now it just gets overplayed, and I'd be happy with swapping it out at a show. Anyhow, as far as the song goes, there are some "Lazy rock star cliches" in it, but I think it's quite fitting for the song. The whole song tends to be filled with cliches, and that's part of what makes it great. If it was just a single cliche in the song, one could call it lazy, but as it is, it's fitting, almost mocking itself, and daring to go there. Paul's always pushed what he could get away with, and I think this is part of it. I find the song great, and I'm sure others do too. Phil
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Post by Jer on Jun 17, 2010 14:18:24 GMT -5
Philip - Good points!
Funny you should mention that bit about Runaway Train. I did hear it in `91 a couple times... the GDU demos and live, and having seen them multiple times by then I thought to myself that it was the beginning of the end. I felt that - for whatever reasons (pirner's hearing, the disappointing reaction to ...Horse They Rode In On) they had lost their edge. They were still tearing it up live (the Metro 10 year anniversary show in Chicago comes to mind) but there was no going back. I was happy for them to finally have a hit, and felt that it was way better than pretty much anything else on the radio, but I never felt it was a good or representative Soul Asylum tune. Seemed to me like they were trying to appeal to a new audience.
Love Untold it a bit different for me because Paul was already heading down that road by then with the last couple Mats records and 14 songs - it wasn't as sharp of a turn. But I am not really into either song for the same reasons. I feel like it's enough with the trains and the aces and the games played and the one way tracks. I just felt like they were capable of better.
But hey, the general public obviously disagrees when Runaway train is a huge hit and World Class Fad is a flop, so what do I know?
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Post by scoOter on Jun 19, 2010 9:15:49 GMT -5
But hey, the general public obviously disagrees when Runaway train is a huge hit and World Class Fad is a flop, so what do I know? when you put it that way, it almost could be argued that wcf was about the direction sa was taking/about to take....
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Post by Jer on Jun 19, 2010 15:57:49 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe. I never even made that connection, but it makes sense!
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