Cathy
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Post by Cathy on Jan 15, 2004 20:53:40 GMT -5
I liked Bruce in the late 70s/early 80s, but by the mid 80s I couldn't stand him. I was into new wave then. I thought some of his lyrics were stupid "I'm a cool rocking daddy in the USA", etc. But he is real and comes across as a nice person, and he seems to care about his fans - I heard he plays 3 hour shows. Now, his music, especially from the "Born to Run" album, brings back good memories. I think "Tenth Avenue Freeze out" is one of his best songs.
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Post by mrwhirly on Jan 17, 2004 11:33:58 GMT -5
Not many musicians can slip into old age with such grace as Bruce has. He carried the teen angst/heart on his sleeve badge with intensity for a long time. He then made a seamless transition to maturity, that's highlighted by relevant music and affecting songs (Nebraska/Tunnel of Love). Paul seems to finally be catching on. He's writing songs now that are more natural for a guy his age. His spirit typically comes through with those more age appropriate songs; you can tell the guy still has the heart of a true punk. It's really not about the noise.
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Post by torethatbridgeout on Jan 19, 2004 1:57:34 GMT -5
He then made a seamless transition to maturity There's your problem right there so basically we've come up with absolutely no direct connection between Bruce and Paul, is that right? I mean, have they shared even a sideman or a sidelong glance in 25 or 30 years of rock and rolling? I think Kathy and Geetarplyr are the best six degrees we got.
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Post by mrwhirly on Jan 19, 2004 21:40:29 GMT -5
The 6 degrees is a no brainer i did it in 2:
Replacements w/ Tom Waits- "date to church" Waits with Springsteen on Roy Orbison's "Black and White Night"
or you could go 3 1. peter buck "i will dare" 2. to Hindu Love Gods "Warren Zevon"/ or Sentimental Hygiene 3. and then from Warren Zevon to Springsteen "the Wind"
The thing is: westerberg doesn't get out much. I rememeber back in that Spin Article when he was the soul of rock n' roll, he talked about working with and "dragging some accomplished artists through the mud" or something like that. He chose Joan Jett; Then he had Shawn Colvin later on. I would like to see Paul get some serious musicianship behind him. He seems to wait for everyone to come to him; but if he wants it he'll have to go find it. That won't be easy. With Springsteen, I hardly see any parallel between him and Paul. I don't know how well they'd "click". I'd like him to explore the Lucinda Williams thing; maybe give steve earle a holler for some production. I think Paul could even turn the whole Americana genre in a new direction. Whereas Ryan Adams, et.al. want to become rock n' rollers; Paul could bring it back home and marry the grandpaboy with folker, creating some real american music once again.
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Post by §winginparty™ on Jan 19, 2004 21:56:23 GMT -5
Beware the "El Goodo"...
I am certain you just made the List
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adamn
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Post by adamn on Jan 19, 2004 22:32:41 GMT -5
Boomtown Rats? The rest of them, sure, but Geldoff was a better sanctimonious savior than he ever was a musician. Blasphemy. Tonic For The Troops & Fine Art of Surfacing are both BRILLIANT bratty pop/punk records. their 3 song set at Live Aid is timeless (except for the musicians' all white outfits, all the rage in the UK back then). Funny enough, with the sax, the Rats can come off sounding like Bruce ("Rat Trap" could EASILY be a Bruce song).
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Doug
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Post by Doug on Jan 20, 2004 4:24:30 GMT -5
For me, Bruce was king from about '74 to '01 till I rediscovered Paul.
As someone said up there, he's aged well. It's the rare rocker that still writes great, emotional, romantic, sensitive, genuine, rockin', classic, etc. stuff past about 30. And Bruce and Paul have done it the best.
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Marc
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Post by Marc on Jan 20, 2004 10:11:54 GMT -5
Monkey, put down that crack pipe this very second. The 70's were saved by The Jam, Ramones, Pistols, NY Dolls, Radio Birdman, Clash, Boomtown rats......even the Police did more than Springsteen. You vying for a free hoodie or something Jesus.... Wow, what the fuck is this nonsense? Have you ever heard of Born To Run? After this album came out Bruce became the first Music Artist to ever be on the covers of Newsweek and Time during the same week. Yeah, The Sex Pistols changed music, but The Boss was saving Rock N Roll.
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Post by GtrPlyr on Jan 20, 2004 11:34:27 GMT -5
Wow, what the f*ck is this nonsense? Have you ever heard of Born To Run? After this album came out Bruce became the first Music Artist to ever be on the covers of Newsweek and Time during the same week. Yeah, The Sex Pistols changed music, but The Boss was saving Rock N Roll. I have to agree with Marc here. Bruce was very influential in the 70's & 80's. He was touted as the next Dylan, and he influenced a new generation of singer songwriters. Some of the artists that have said that Springsteen influenced them include: Ani Difranco, Ben Harper, Damien Jurado, Crooked Fingers, Tracy Chapman, John Mellencamp, Counting Crows, Beck, Aimee Mann, Melissa Etheridge... So he's definitely influenced, both good, and bad artists from the last 30 years. But you can't deny his influence. It's not like he has only done one type of album over his career—see Def Leppard...sorry Prozach couldn't resist that one—he's been willing to take chances. He followed up the highly sucessful "The River" with the lo-fi "Nebraska" then followed that with another left turn with "Born in the U.S.A." Not too many artists would have produced such diverse work, in that short a period of time. As for the Pistols changing music, well I've always thought they were a bit overated. They really only released one "proper" studio album in their career—a good one mind you—but their importance is questionable. I know there's a ton of bands that site the Pistols, and "Nevermind the Bullocks" as influences, but bands like the Stooges, and the Ramones were doing this stuff before the Pistols; and bands like The Clash wrote better songs, had a longer career, and seemed to be more influential on future artists. To top it off, it seems like Lydon has finally sold-out: First it was the 'we don't have a new album, nostalgia based, money grabbing tour," and now he's doing some crappy U.K. "reality show."
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Post by elgoodo on Jan 20, 2004 11:38:39 GMT -5
nice screed, g-man... (although I'll go ahead and file it under B.S.)
btw, to take some of the pressure off, know this: marc will one day (soon) be the post leader...
it's a done deal... (just a matter of time)
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Post by GtrPlyr on Jan 20, 2004 12:00:03 GMT -5
I don't know...Gravy might give him a run for the money.
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Post by scoOter on Jan 20, 2004 12:09:30 GMT -5
i'm a senior "member" now, so i must have a lot of posts, too.... let's see....
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Nudge
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Post by Nudge on Jan 20, 2004 12:15:10 GMT -5
interesting ramble gtrplyr, gotta go with you on most of that but i'd like to add the pistols did change the way record companies write up and give out contracts.
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Post by GtrPlyr on Jan 20, 2004 12:27:55 GMT -5
the pistols did change the way record companies write up and give out contracts. Are you refering to that "EMI" thing?
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Post by BigWheel on Jan 20, 2004 12:33:01 GMT -5
I think the part being overlooked is the part where Springsteen had a great affect on "saving Rock and Roll" in the 70's. Springsteen probably did have a great affect on radio and the way it treated Rock and Roll.
I don't really make a connection between radio and rock and roll, now or then. If a song is formatted to appeal to people on the radio it has already lost 90 percent of the qualities i would enjoy in it.
Rock and Roll was not going to die without Springsteen, or without anyone for that matter. It is always going to be alive and people will find it if they need it.
There is nothing wrong with disliking Springsteen. There is also nothing wrong with not celebrating all the good things people attribute to him.
Rock and Roll has never needed a savior, so don't give old Brucey that title.
how many channels with nothing on??
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Nudge
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Post by Nudge on Jan 20, 2004 12:33:28 GMT -5
not just them A&M signed them they made a shit load of money and didn't even record one note, and they did screwed virgin aswell and a couple of other labels too, but i laugh now cause EMI on all the pistols pressings now they have manufactured by EMI in big letters stamped into the top and bottom spines of the cd covers.
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Post by elgoodo on Jan 20, 2004 12:38:27 GMT -5
57...
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Post by Vikings007 on Jan 20, 2004 14:00:55 GMT -5
Hey, everyone...HUGE Paul & Mats fan (as well as the Boss) On the topic of the Mats & Bruce, I ran across this article on their similarities and such a year or so ago. It's not written all that well and it has some glaring errors (calling "Here Comes A Regular" "The Regular" and such). Yet the intention is clear and I'd have to agree with the premise ;D Here is the link: www.redragmag.com/v1.1/history.htm
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Chris
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Post by Chris on Jan 21, 2004 9:09:38 GMT -5
About ten years ago, Rolling Stone asked a number of prominent musicians what their all time favorite records were. Westerberg said The Faces A Nod's As Good As A Wink To A Blind Horse.
Then he said that the record that inspired him to become a musician was Born To Run.
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Doug
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Post by Doug on Jan 21, 2004 23:23:03 GMT -5
Chris. That is a very cool fact (presuming it's true). Thanks for posting it.
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