RRHOF 2023

[anarkissed]

It's your favorite time of the year...Nominations for artists to be considered for induction into The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 2023:

George Michael
Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Warren Zevon
Sheryl Crow
Cyndi Lauper
Missy Elliott
The Spinners
Iron Maiden
A Tribe Called Quest
Joy Division/New Order
Rage Against the Machine
Soundgarden
The White Stripes

I have to say, I think a case can be made for all of these. I'm surprised that Willie Nelson isn't already in there. Warren Zevon is the kind of guy that should be but will probably be overlooked. The dual "Joy Division/New Order" nomination seems a little odd; did they do it that way with Jefferson Airplane/Starship? Kate Bush and Iron Maiden are no brainers to me...I don't know anything about A Tribe Called Quest, but my impression is they were pretty important in hip hop. I don't care for The White Stripes, and I always thought Missy Elliot seemed like someone talked their mom into doing a number from her brief rap career while she was chaperoning the kids' after graduation party, following a few too many wine coolers, but I won't get pissed if they put them in there.

[Schecky]

For me it’s be:

George Michael
Kate Bush
Willie Nelson
Sheryl Crow
Missy Elliott
Iron Maiden
Joy Division/New Order

Missy was pretty influential.
Michael I don’t love, but his talent was pretty undeniable.
Zevon was great, but too obscure.

[Jer]

Ugh don't get me started. Nothing against Ms. Elliot, she's awesome, but I don't think hip-hop artists should be getting in first ballot eligible when there are massive true rock and roll snubs still not in. JFC Van Halen and Black Sabbath weren't even indicted first ballot eligible. Can we get Jethro Tull, Thin Lizzy, The Runaways, Bad Company and Iron Maiden in first?

Zevon is a great pic and overdue.

Maiden is way overdue. It would be unreal if they get in. They do not care. 

Sheryl Crow makes a lot of sense.

White Stripes are a no-brainer.

Joy Division makes sense, but the New Order tag on is unnecessary and creates more questions than it answers.

I get why they're including hip hop and country and stuff, I can't fight it anymore, but the focus of my ire now is just the order things are happening. Their definition of Rock and Roll is a joke, created to serve their purposes. It cheapens their brand and costs credibility, but that ship sailed long ago. They should have categories like the R&R Hall for actual rock acts, then a sub-category for influencers that could include other genres. Do like 1, maybe 2 non-rock a year as influencers. If the rock pool starts to get thin, which won't happen for a long time, branch out more in that direction. The "Musical Excellence Award" that was used to get Judas Priest and Randy Rhoads in is an interesting back door that sort-of works, but also cheapens the honor for those inductees too. But let's be honest, who's voting for Randy Rhoads when George Michael is on the list?

[kidblast1966]

A Tribe Called Quest was a fantastic hip hop group with a pretty positive message overall, and some of the samples they used were from pretty good bands. They didn’t talk about having a big dick, shooting the police, smacking women around (NOT their bitches or ho’s), and they could actually do an entire song and not say the word(s) ‘-’ or ‘nigga’. I believe there were only like 3 dudes in the ‘band’ and one of them—I think it’s Fife and NOT Q-Tip—is now unfortunately dead. They had some internal grumblings and weren’t all on the best of terms when they broke up. If they are inducting rap/hip hop acts into the RRHOF I’d much rather see artists like this as opposed to the “gangsta” rap genre.

I’ve never heard anyone say Warren Zevon was obscure, but he wrote some fabulous songs and was well respected amongst his peers. He’s much more deserving than a lot of people already enshrined.

And finally, of all the Seattle bands polluted under the ‘Grunge’ category, Soundgarden, in my humble opinion, was the best of the bunch. Pearl Jam turned into a bunch of posers and political advisers and are just way too hypocritical to be honored; I would imagine Nirvana is already in the Hall (prolly my least fav from Seattle); Mother Love Bone was relatively unknown compared to most Seattle grungers but they were fantastic

[Jer]

Feb 6, 2023 3:14:34 GMT -5 kidblast1966 said:

A Tribe Called Quest was a fantastic hip hop group with a pretty positive message overall, and some of the samples they used were from pretty good bands. They didn’t talk about having a big dick, shooting the police, smacking women around (NOT their bitches or ho’s), and they could actually do an entire song and not say the word(s) ‘-’ or ‘nigga’. I believe there were only like 3 dudes in the ‘band’ and one of them—I think it’s Fife and NOT Q-Tip—is now unfortunately dead. They had some internal grumblings and weren’t all on the best of terms when they broke up. If they are inducting rap/hip hop acts into the RRHOF I’d much rather see artists like this as opposed to the “gangsta” rap genre.

I've come to accept that rock and roll had a big influence on rap/hip-hop, and then rap/hip-hop has, in turn, had a big influence on rock and roll. There is a lot of crossover. While most if it really isn't "rock" by my own definition, the cross-pollination is difficult for me to deny, so I'm just rolling with it. Personal opinions (and my own admittedly limited exposure to the genre) aside, I don't think gangsta rap or any other sub-genre is any less worthy than another, but there are standouts and there are followers.

Feb 6, 2023 3:14:34 GMT -5 kidblast1966 said:

And finally, of all the Seattle bands polluted under the ‘Grunge’ category, Soundgarden, in my humble opinion, was the best of the bunch. Pearl Jam turned into a bunch of posers and political advisers and are just way too hypocritical to be honored; I would imagine Nirvana is already in the Hall (prolly my least fav from Seattle); Mother Love Bone was relatively unknown compared to most Seattle grungers but they were fantastic

Hard to deny Peal Jam their due. I'm not the biggest fan, and not usually inclined to carry their flag into battle, but they've had a huge mark on rock and roll in the last 30+ years. They worked as hard as anyone and rose from the over-saturated grunge scene they had a key role in defining to headline stadiums, champion lesser-known and under-appreciated bands that preceded them, and fight the mainstream ticketing infrastructure (though they eventually lost) at their own expense and loss to expose the scam that it is. Of all those bands, only PJ and Mudhoney perseveres today in more or less their previous incarnations. I know there's some venom in the background about PJ, but I find it a bit misguided. Curious (an open to perspective on) why you consider them posers and hypocritical. 

Objectively speaking, Nirvana is a no-brainer first ballot eligible pick. They changed the face of rock and roll, had a huge impact, and left a permanent mark. I see the White Stripes the same way, though their impact wasn't quite as big as Nirvana's. They check most or all of the boxes. 

Soundgarden was great, deserves to be in, and deserves to follow Nirvana and Pear Jam. I think there are more deserving snubs today, but they'll have their day. Mother Love Bone, while a key part of the roots of the genre, would be a tough sell given who else isn't in, but as the hall digs deeper into less successful but more influential artists there could be a spot for them, Mudhoney, Big Star, Replacements, etc.  

[FreeRider]

Ahhh, back to the HoF discussion again, are we? I like Zevon a lot and if the voting members really want to honor a unique artist, Zevon should get a nod.

As for some "black" music or genres like hip hop stuff, to me, music has no color and it's just a collection of sounds maybe made from a different cultural background or environment than my own. Some of it I dig, some I don't. Now, is it rock and roll? I dunno...but I guess it has some commonality somewhere with what most of us think/believe rock is. Cross pollinaton? Crossover influences? White artists incorporating rap, rap metal? Who knows, the voting members don't always adhere to their own criteria they lay out. But hell, whatever man, I don't really care about the hall's rationales. But yet, here I am commenting on it, lol... 🤪