It's rock n' roll, but is it art?

[BentAllOuttaShape]

On the "professionalism" thread, I was talking about about what Paul does as art. Another member wasn't comfortable with the "A" word.

But I've since seen a few references to rock music--and Paul's stuff, in particular--as being art. One of them, I think, was from Michael Bland.

Is rock n' roll art?

Is Paul an artist?

Yer thoughts, please...

[scoOter]

BentAllOuttaShape said:

Is rock n' roll art?

Is Paul an artist?

totally.

[pline]

Using the broad definition of art as "the products of human creativity" - the answer is definately yes to both questions.

I think the question is a matter of degree. We all are artists to some degree - but Paul expresses more than enough creativity to be considered a professional at it.

[scoOter]

i think people worry too much about labels. be it rock & roll (and its subsets), "art", etc.

you know it's art when you hear/see/taste it. what we are worrying ourselves with is whether or not others hear/see/taste the same art, and that seems a bit silly to me.

[Monkey]

I don't know if rock n roll is art or not, but I think rock music must be prevented from viewing itself as Art at all costs.

[Pete]

I think everybody knows the answer to both questions.

Yes and Yes

[scoOter]

Monkey said:

I don't know if rock n roll is art or not, but I think rock music must be prevented from viewing itself as Art at all costs.

valid point.

[angela]

I would call it art. But I agree we should keep that fact from the actual musicians otherwise you end up with too much Yes and not enough Ramones.

[scoOter]

angela said:

I would call it art. But I agree we should keep that fact from the actual musicians otherwise you end up with too much Yes and not enough Ramones.

valid illustration!

[MikeR]

Angela, I don't think it's possible to hit that nail more squarely on the head than you did with a single, deft swing and a perfect illustration.

[bigbak]

It's only Rock 'n' Roll but I like it....

[DuluthToMadison]

It's only Rock 'n' Roll but I like it....

Excellent point bigbak. I've long thought that would be a great cover song for him -- especially after the recent Chicago review.

[ElegantMule]

Only if you mean rocka rolla is down and dirty sweat and blood outsider art or secret art or naive art or anything except that shit that hangs in most galleries. .

I think rock and roll can be art, if you appreciate a good guitar toss.

All depends on your definition of art. I think art is anything aesthetically pleasing.

So yeah, french fries are art.

[A Regular]

ElegantMule said:

So yeah, french fries are art.

So, does that make frozen pizza "fine art"?

[FirstAveFiend]

Monkey said:

I don't know if rock n roll is art or not, but I think rock music must be prevented from viewing itself as Art at all costs.

I agree with this statement so much and yes I too am bowing to Angela's remark including the Ramones.

I believe I am the member that he's referring to as uncomfortable with the term. I hear people classify some music as art rock and to me its just a lable I don't like. Yes music can be considered an art for but for some reason that word makes me cringe when its describing rock and roll.

I wouldn't deny Paul the title of artist and his songwriting is his art. But I don't like that term used towards his performances.


edit: if this doesn't make sense check back with me tomorrow. I'm still recovering from NYC and no sleep in brooklyn.

[pline]

angela said:

I would call it art. But I agree we should keep that fact from the actual musicians otherwise you end up with too much Yes and not enough Ramones.

From "The_Replacements_Bible_v1.4":
... "Bob Stinson was among them. His earliest influences were unlikely ones, and included Yes, Ted Nugent and Golden Earring." ...

I guess Bob was an art lover ;D .

[paulie]

this is a quote that is supposed to discourage you from believing that music is Art but in Pauls case it does exactly the oppisite.

Art is an expression by the artist; entertainment is an expression for the audience. The artist is primarily concerned with himself; the entertainer is primarily concerned with his audience. The artist seeks to express the truth within himself; the entertainer seeks to give the audience what it wants.

[paulie]

Chistopher Walken in Man on Fire

"A man can be an artist in anything, food, whatever. It depends on how good he is at it. Creasy's art is death. He's about to paint his masterpiece."

[scoOter]

paulie said:

Chistopher Walken in Man on Fire

"A man can be an artist in anything, food, whatever. It depends on how good he is at it. Creasy's art is death. He's about to paint his masterpiece."

that's a great movie.