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Post by anarkissed on Jul 1, 2018 17:06:20 GMT -5
>>why do you think that?<< Well, I think you've been answering that question. It would be more likely that fans of The Replacements would have heard of G 'N R. A lot of G 'N R fans would never have heard of The Replacements. I don't think anybody is going to argue which band is better known.
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 1, 2018 18:09:30 GMT -5
>>why do you think that?<< Well, I think you've been answering that question. It would be more likely that fans of The Replacements would have heard of G 'N R. A lot of G 'N R fans would never have heard of The Replacements. I don't think anybody is going to argue which band is better known. ok, I read your post as it sound like replacements fans are more open to good bands than GnR fans would be...my bad, sorry
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Post by jim63 on Jul 2, 2018 6:10:32 GMT -5
I happened to see both bands in 1991. The comparison was striking in my eyes. I saw Guns and Roses at an large arena show and it was a good show but hardly compelling in any way, just another arena rock show that I’d be hard pressed to differentiate between another 10 shows of the time. That same year I saw the Replacements at Kingsbury Hall on the University of Utah campus. This was right before they split up with Steve Foley as the drummer and it was one of the best shows I had ever seen. It was exciting, passionate and more rock and roll the GNR could dream of. Guns and Roses has some good songs but they also have some with painfully stupid lyrics(and as others have mentioned racist, misogynistic, and homophobic). Also great songs(which the Mat’s had plenty of) are always more important than musicianship.
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Post by Hagbard on Jul 3, 2018 0:22:16 GMT -5
I love GNR. I’m 36, they were the first band I ever got into, I was 9 at the time. I remember for a long time it was super, super ‘uncool’ to like them. As a closet fan, I often suffered in silence haha. Anyway, if you like rock n roll, I don’t see how you can’t like gnr, or at least appetite.
They’re totally different, yet similar to The Mats in some ways. They both seemed to be inspired by similar bands, Johnny thunders, the stones etc. I guess the differences lie in the songs, the emotion and how I react to all that. Guns only get me in one way, if I want to have fun and rock out, I’ll crank Appetite. If I want to have fun or rock out or cry or smile wryly to myself or experience all those different emotions and more simultaneously, I’ll listen to The Mats.
After reading trouble boys, I get the impression Paul, Bob, Tommy and Chris would have liked gnr growing up if gnr had been around in the 70s. Plus I like what Paul said about them, “They’re a great rock n roll band from the neck down or maybe the waist down.”
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Post by Jer on Jul 3, 2018 9:14:46 GMT -5
For the most part it's apples and oranges. Appetite came out when hair metal was at it's peak and there was a real need to get away from that polished, glam, over-produced/mass-produced stuff that was largely a thousand bands sounding like the few that were actually really good. Appetite was to that what punk was to FM radio in the late 70s. It was an iconic album that changed everything. The Replacements were critic's darlings and had a decent club/theater following, but their most beloved records could never touch the impact that Appetite had - and is still having. Who was better? Well, that's pretty subjective. If you're looking at it objectively, it's hard to deny that the original lineup of GNR was incredible. They had great chemistry, they were all great musicians, they wrote great songs, and their live shows were legendary. For my money, it was hard to beat the Mats on their best nights, but GNR was an amazing band who could be put up against anyone from any era. Yeah, their quality went down after Appetite (though their fan base only grew), there were riots and tantrums and racist lyrics and drug addiction that tarnished and/or enhanced their legacy, but they're one of the defining bands in rock history, and there is quality music behind it, not some mass-produced, cookie cutter, mainstream rock. As much as we love the Mats, you just can't take that away from GNR. And I love that `Think About You` song, even though it might be considered filler (and there's too much reverb on that acoustic)!
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Post by raccoon on Jul 3, 2018 17:38:29 GMT -5
Hey I like Guns a lot too. There was just an earlier post that seemed fairly dismissive of the Mats. Got me riled in a good way.
I'm just glad The Replacements never wrote a song called 'Back off Bitch' or tried to sell a record with the Spinal Tapesque cover that Guns intended for 'Appetite.'
Best of all, The Replacements did not have the enormous poor taste to cover and sell a song written by psychopath (R.I.H. rest in hell) Charles Manson. Decidedly disgusting but I bet they thought it would be 'so punk rock' to do it. Ugh!
P.S. - I wonder why Izzy refused to join in the cash grab that the new Guns reunion tour so clearly is...
P.S.S. - I love the Paul quote posted above. As usual, he nails it.
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 3, 2018 18:26:21 GMT -5
P.S. - I wonder why Izzy refused to join in the cash grab that the new Guns reunion tour so clearly is... I believe he refused becasue he wasnt going to get his equal share of the cash grab.... speaking of cash grabs, our very own replacements were finally able to pull one off
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 3, 2018 18:29:35 GMT -5
. Guns only get me in one way, if I want to have fun and rock out, I’ll crank Appetite. If I want to have fun or rock out or cry or smile wryly to myself or experience all those different emotions and more simultaneously, I’ll listen to The Mats. ” thats a nice way to put it..... most folks should just say that I like BAnd x more than band y rather than try to argue why one is better than the other.....
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 3, 2018 18:34:25 GMT -5
I happened to see both bands in 1991. The comparison was striking in my eyes. I saw Guns and Roses at an large arena show and it was a good show but hardly compelling in any way, just another arena rock show that I’d be hard pressed to differentiate between another 10 shows of the time. That same year I saw the Replacements at Kingsbury Hall on the University of Utah campus. This was right before they split up with Steve Foley as the drummer and it was one of the best shows I had ever seen. It was exciting, passionate and more rock and roll the GNR could dream of. Guns and Roses has some good songs but they also have some with painfully stupid lyrics(and as others have mentioned racist, misogynistic, and homophobic). Also great songs(which the Mat’s had plenty of) are always more important than musicianship. here's my single data point to prove my view ...I saw the Mats open for Petty and would say their set was un-remarkable but good, never saw Guns....I wonder if Guns in the smaller setting like you mention would have been a different experience than a big arena? ....anyway at the show I saw (Syracuse Fair) Petty was fabulous and also Axl came out and did a song with them..
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 3, 2018 18:38:56 GMT -5
Also great songs(which the Mat’s had plenty of) are always more important than musicianship. What defines a great song I guess is the question.....I love a lot of the mats songs but sadly in 20 years no one will hear them, too indie, but everyone will recognize welcome to the jungle and sweet child....
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 3, 2018 18:40:13 GMT -5
Best of all, The Replacements did not have the enormous poor taste to cover and sell a song written by psychopath (R.I.H. rest in hell) Charles Manson. Decidedly disgusting but I bet they thought it would be 'so punk rock' to do it. Ugh! . Amen. Though thats not really a credit to the Mats as much as a major ding on the Guns.
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Post by anarkissed on Jul 3, 2018 22:04:36 GMT -5
>>What defines a great song I guess is the question.....I love a lot of the mats songs but sadly in 20 years no one will hear them, too indie, but everyone will recognize welcome to the jungle and sweet child...<< I'm sure that's something to be proud of. I'm sure G N' R will always be a more recognizable name, bigger, more back catalog sales, a mainstay on classic rock radio, little kids wearing their t-shirts into the next millenium...But, that doesn't mean a whole lot to me personally...If I ever wanna hear some Guns 'N Roses, we have a local classic rock station. I can put that on and I'll hear some within no more than thirty minutes. If I wanna listen to The Mats, I kinda have to be responsible for that myself. I kind of like it that way. I could really say the same about The Velvet Underground, or Television or Mission of Burma or The Standells or Mahogany Rush or a thousand other little goofy bands...A couple of my favorite bands never even released any recordings...I just saw them play in garages and dive bars over a few weeks during one particular summer...Everybody recognizes "Free Bird"...Still doesn't do a whole lot for me...
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Post by raccoon on Jul 4, 2018 9:59:39 GMT -5
I believe he refused becasue he wasnt going to get his equal share of the cash grab.... speaking of cash grabs, our very own replacements were finally able to pull one off As a self proclaimed 'superfan' of the Mats you should probably know that the motivating factor in the reunion was Slim. Most of the profits from that tour went to help with his medical bills.
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Post by raccoon on Jul 4, 2018 10:16:46 GMT -5
>>What defines a great song I guess is the question.....I love a lot of the mats songs but sadly in 20 years no one will hear them, too indie, but everyone will recognize welcome to the jungle and sweet child...<< I'm sure that's something to be proud of. I'm sure G N' R will always be a more recognizable name, bigger, more back catalog sales, a mainstay on classic rock radio, little kids wearing their t-shirts into the next millenium...But, that doesn't mean a whole lot to me personally...If I ever wanna hear some Guns 'N Roses, we have a local classic rock station. I can put that on and I'll hear some within no more than thirty minutes. If I wanna listen to The Mats, I kinda have to be responsible for that myself. I kind of like it that way. I could really say the same about The Velvet Underground, or Television or Mission of Burma or The Standells or Mahogany Rush or a thousand other little goofy bands...A couple of my favorite bands never even released any recordings...I just saw them play in garages and dive bars over a few weeks during one particular summer...Everybody recognizes "Free Bird"...Still doesn't do a whole lot for me... Hey let's not bring Skynyrd into this! lol. Ronnie and the boys created so many great songs - a lot more than the 4 or 5 that GnR ever did. Ronnie was a tremendous lyricist. Speaking of lyrics: I think that is what it comes down to for me. I love the sound of GnR but the lyrics are often just silly and juvenile. I love your comparison to VU. I am making my way through 'White light/white heat: the velvet underground day by day" and noticed some similarities between them and the Mats. Especially in the legacy on music and the under appreciation of their albums during their time. Haven't both Green Day and Wilco both said in various ways that they owe much of their inspiration to the Replacements? But back to semi-bashing GnR (with a smile)...I always thought they sounded like a blend of Aerosmith and bad L.A. hair metal complete with the tawdry ethos of the Sunset Strip. I'll take Aerosmith, thank you! And to your point, the most popular and famous band on the block isn't necessarily the best. More people probably know who Justin Bieber is than know who Axl Rose is. So what? Does that somehow mean that Bieber's music is 'better' than GnR? Because more people know GnR than know the Replacements does that somehow mean that GnR is better than the Mats? Not necessarily.
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 4, 2018 12:13:52 GMT -5
I believe he refused becasue he wasnt going to get his equal share of the cash grab.... speaking of cash grabs, our very own replacements were finally able to pull one off As a self proclaimed 'superfan' of the Mats you should probably know that the motivating factor in the reunion was Slim. Most of the profits from that tour went to help with his medical bills. I know they did songs for slim but that would be quite amazing if they donated most of the profits from the tour to slims medical bill. Very surprised that wasnt a bigger news deal. I didn't remember even seeing it posted here. But i dint watch as closely and not on the the Facebook page. That's very cool.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Jul 5, 2018 10:44:46 GMT -5
As a self proclaimed 'superfan' of the Mats you should probably know that the motivating factor in the reunion was Slim. Most of the profits from that tour went to help with his medical bills. Songs for Slim raised a lot of money, but I don't think Paul or Tommy ever said anything about donating their profits from the reunion tour to Slim.
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Post by Jer on Jul 5, 2018 11:13:14 GMT -5
As a self proclaimed 'superfan' of the Mats you should probably know that the motivating factor in the reunion was Slim. Most of the profits from that tour went to help with his medical bills. Songs for Slim raised a lot of money, but I don't think Paul or Tommy ever said anything about donating their profits from the reunion tour to Slim. Yeah, if that were the case, Paul likely wouldn't have said he was whoring himself by doing that tour. As far as GNR go, I recently did something I don't think I've ever done with a band - I said I was done with them. As incredible as Appetite and Lies were, it was just too little material played too often for too long. I listen to the Ozzy channel on SiriusXM a lot and seems every 5th song is GNR, and even the deep cuts are stale to me now. 5, 6 years ago I'd love to hear My Michelle or Think About You on shuffle, but that whole record is right up there songs like Back in Black, Stairway to Heaven and Hotel California for me. It's cool....but enough is enough. At least with the Ozzy and Sabbath stuff they have like 20 albums to pull from, keeping it more interesting. But I do think that a lot of hardcore mats fans (or fans of any band I guess) too often have blinders on to how other stuff compares in quality to their favorite band. It's not easy being objective, especially when the band we all love failed on more levels than they succeeded, and that failure was largely by design. But it's hard for me to believe that any rock and roll fan can't see how good that lineup and record really were, even if it's not your thing and you have issues with the band for other reasons.
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Post by adamapple on Jul 5, 2018 14:35:23 GMT -5
the replacements had a chameleon like quality, stylistically, and swing wise. switching from nightclub jitters, skyway, to bastards, iou. the ability and inclination to do that. they were true music fans. i never got the sense GNR were. they were metal heads. even their covers, just sound like them. as i nick lowe just state in an interview, there is so much rock and not enough rock & roll. people have forgotten the roll. the replacements had the roll.
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Post by raccoon on Jul 5, 2018 19:25:52 GMT -5
As Paul sang in Cass Elliot's words: "Nobody can tell ya; There's only one song worth singin', They may try and sell ya, 'Cause it hangs them up to see someone like you. But you've gotta make your own music Sing your own special song, Make your own kind of music even if nobody else sings along."
Long live GnR and the Mats and anybody bringing joy into this world with music and words!
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 5, 2018 19:35:30 GMT -5
Songs for Slim raised a lot of money, but I don't think Paul or Tommy ever said anything about donating their profits from the reunion tour to Slim. As far as GNR go, I recently did something I don't think I've ever done with a band - I said I was done with them. As incredible as Appetite and Lies were, it was just too little material played too often for too long. totally get that "too little material played too often for too long" so disappointing but they lost a lot when the rhtym section left
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