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Post by Kathy on Mar 1, 2016 12:52:41 GMT -5
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Post by rosecity409 on Mar 1, 2016 13:25:09 GMT -5
Anyone else afraid that Paul is just messing with us? He must be aware that a lot of people wanted the I Don't Cares record released on vinyl, and that a lot of people want him to tour. I feel like there is a good chance he's just saying "any one of the 'ons' you want, not happening, and I Don't Care." I don't know, that was just my gut reaction to it. I hope with all my heart that they do a tour, though. It would be so damn exciting. And the Dale Westerberg bit is damn funny. I love his alter egos-I thought Grandpaboy's last stand was hilarious, chaotic, but clearly well thought out. anyway, let's all keep them fingers crossed!!
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Post by Kathy on Mar 1, 2016 14:36:40 GMT -5
They definitely could be trolling us even. I'd take a TV appearance if we can;t get some live shows!
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Post by hudson99 on Mar 1, 2016 19:42:16 GMT -5
I think the lack of vinyl is simply because they didn't want to push the release date back. Pressing plants are way behind, and right now it's even worse due to the upcoming Record Store Day releases.
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Post by Otto Jr. on Mar 2, 2016 0:46:06 GMT -5
Paul STILL uses a Zippo? This man LOVES his smokes! It's not a habit, it's a lifestyle! I'm a smoker and I use the cheap ass lighters at Kwik Trip! lol If Paul is still using a Zippo? I think he's ALL in. lol He's not THAT old so I'm not sure what I think about that but....eh. Not my issue. I just like his music and I hope he keeps doing it. Filterless Camels no less. ICK! I smoked Marb Reds in high school and I choke at the thought of having one now. But a Camel filterless? Paul > Nicotine > Julianna. Basically!
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patty
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Post by patty on Mar 2, 2016 8:58:25 GMT -5
I think he's jumped the shark. After listening to the album solidly, at first it was exciting, then it became increasingly dull...he seems like he is trying too hard now and it feels...dare I say it...puerile.
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Post by anarkissed on Mar 2, 2016 21:52:21 GMT -5
I think he's jumped the shark. After listening to the album solidly, at first it was exciting, then it became increasingly dull...he seems like he is trying too hard now and it feels...dare I say it...puerile. I'm not sure what it is about you, but you seem to specialize in making my day shittier than it was already...Every post is a downer...Every post makes me feel stupider than I was before, and more depressed...S'OK...Probably good for me...Don't wanna be a pollyanna...Thanks for pointing out that something I was enjoying I probably shouldn't be, because it's "puerile"...(That means "childish", or something, right? I didn't bother to look it up...) And, I don't know: has Paul ever really "tried too hard"? Has he even "tried"? Heh...
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jd19jd
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Post by jd19jd on Mar 3, 2016 16:49:01 GMT -5
Is Dale possibly a reference from 'Baskets'? Dale is Chip's brother that runs a hokey for profit 'college'.
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bombpop
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Post by bombpop on Mar 3, 2016 18:20:45 GMT -5
Just stopping by the site for the first time in a while...I love the video, love the record, love having something to discuss. I'll take tour, vinyl, demand, edge. Any of it. Nice to be back!
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Post by TomT on Mar 5, 2016 5:51:56 GMT -5
I don't get the bashing of this album. It's fucking raw, clever, beautiful, and rocks life a motherfucker. The flow of this album is really really good. JH is a wonderful match with Paul and I sure as hell hope there's more to come and a tour would really be something.
To the Debbie Downers out there - I just feel sorry that you can't enjoy this. I don't know what you're looking for. It moves me in a way I haven't felt since 49:00 came out in 2008. "Exciting art that's alive" is a good description of the I Don't Cares.
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Post by teddinard on Mar 5, 2016 10:16:07 GMT -5
I don't get the bashing of this album. It's fucking raw, clever, beautiful, and rocks life a motherfucker. The flow of this album is really really good. JH is a wonderful match with Paul and I sure as hell hope there's more to come and a tour would really be something. To the Debbie Downers out there - I just feel sorry that you can't enjoy this. I don't know what you're looking for. It moves me in a way I haven't felt since 49:00 came out in 2008. "Exciting art that's alive" is a good description of the I Don't Cares. Hey Tom I think the vast majority of people here and elsewhere can put themselves on a scale between liking the album very much to loving it. It has an exuberant, winning quality unique in Westerberg's post-Mats output, which Hatfield's voice and attitude contribute to. But it has depth and rawness too. It's inevitable that some people (or one person) won't like it. Some people hate the Replacements too. There are people who think Shakespeare and Beethoven are overrated. I wish those people the best, raise a glass, and say "here's to loving what we love!"
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Jer
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Post by Jer on Mar 5, 2016 11:38:37 GMT -5
I don't get the bashing of this album. It's fucking raw, clever, beautiful, and rocks life a motherfucker. The flow of this album is really really good. JH is a wonderful match with Paul and I sure as hell hope there's more to come and a tour would really be something. To the Debbie Downers out there - I just feel sorry that you can't enjoy this. I don't know what you're looking for. It moves me in a way I haven't felt since 49:00 came out in 2008. "Exciting art that's alive" is a good description of the I Don't Cares. Hey Tom I think the vast majority of people here and elsewhere can put themselves on a scale between liking the album very much to loving it. It has an exuberant, winning quality unique in Westerberg's post-Mats output, which Hatfield's voice and attitude contribute to. But it has depth and rawness too. It's inevitable that some people (or one person) won't like it. Some people hate the Replacements too. There are people who think Shakespeare and Beethoven are overrated. I wish those people the best, raise a glass, and say "here's to loving what we love!" Agree, Ted, overall it seems like with just a couple exceptions people have reacted really positively to the record. Tom T is right when he points out all the cool things about the record - but patty just lost interest in the record after a few listens. I haven't lost the passion around the record like patty has, but I get where he's coming from. Sometimes having a shitty drummer on a record will have that effect. It can be like listening to demos (by any artist you love). They can be really cool at first, and there may be the exceptional standout, but mostly they're novelties that you can enjoy from time to time, but they lack the impact and long-term staying power of a fully-realized, produced song. As long as Paul is going down this demo-like mentality, he's going to sacrifice some listeners. I didn't even get that far with 49:00 and all that stuff. Some of it I couldn't even listen to twice, and haven't gone back to any of it since shortly after it came out. I'm thankful that this record is a more realized vision than all that stuff. One step further, I think that people on this board are so invested in the music that we hyper-analyze things. I know I do. That's part of the fun. I like being able to poke holes - I wish he had a better drummer, wish they'd done this or that - but at the same time I can be super happy this is out there, I love it, and it'll no-doubt be on my favorite list of the year. I am much more annoyed when it's a non-stop love-fest. Part of the conversation can always include finding issues in what these guys do. It facilitates discussion, inserts objectivity, and might even open some eyes to something they haven't considered before.
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Post by TomT on Mar 6, 2016 8:59:13 GMT -5
I think my comments were more a result from reading a facebook group. Many people just ripping into Paul and the Wild Stab album with the drumming getting most of the hate. Maybe it's being an election year and all but there's a lot of hatred going around these days.
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Post by timx1386 on Mar 10, 2016 20:45:22 GMT -5
Ive said it a million times but Paul's drumming is one of my favorite things about his 'basement records' and solo stuff. Just straightforward, not flashy, not too tight.... just makes it great rock and roll for me. Its like the swing in Chuck Berry's strumming hand as he hacks out rhythm parts or Johnny Thunders teetering on the edge of a song. I can't explain it but I love it. Paul even had said, I believe, that he didn't want to make a perfect record, or a great record with Wild Stab. That was partially the point. "there are already people out there making perfect records" -- I'll take the unpolished. I can relate to it so much more. Its ragged, its sweet, its honest, its unapologetic, it is itself. Some of my favorite musicians and artists (or records, songs, etc) have stuck with me over the years BECAUSE of their "flaws" ... they're lovable flaws. They give it character that so many things lack these days. And with Paul specifically, I think its part of the whole package deal, dropping lyrics in live shows, touring with just an electric guitar and hacking through songs solo, releasing big blobs of music (like on 49:00) or random one-offs like "My Road Now" - none of it is perfect, yet it hits me just right.
I'm not trying to defend Paul's work (I don't think he'd want or need that anyway) - or the Wild Stab record, but I can't help but want to say over and over that I love it, because I do. I love the songs but, and i think the drumming somehow really represents this, I love the spirit of it all. There's a common thread through all of Paul's work from the beginning and is still there now, and I think its just who he is, and its the best.
People don't have to like it, and you can say what you want about it... but I can say what I want about it to: I think its awesome.
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Post by anarkissed on Mar 10, 2016 21:14:19 GMT -5
I have no problem with the drumming being raw, unpolished, or amateurish...But sometimes I get tired of it always being the same beat...
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Post by twicks1 on Mar 10, 2016 21:57:39 GMT -5
I have no problem with the drumming being raw, unpolished, or amateurish...But sometimes I get tired of it always being the same beat... Which is especially weird after reading Trouble Boys and how much he complained about Chris's lack of versatility behind the kit...
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Post by anarkissed on Mar 10, 2016 22:22:32 GMT -5
I don't think I will ever really understand his feelings about percussion in general...It's like he sees it as just a necessary nuisance...He's played with some pretty good drummers...I know he's thrown shade at more than one, but the idea that any drummer he ever played with fucked up more live than he did is ludicrous...As is the idea that he's a better drummer than Chris Mars was...In that sort of "alternative" drummer category, I put Chris right up there with people like Paul Cook and Bill Berry...I don't know...I remember going through several specific phases with my garage bands...I had the same drummer in every one...First, we were this sorta psychedelic revival thing (Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane, Zeppelin) and our drummer did a pretty good Keith Moon/John Bonham...Then it was a kinda Police/The Clash deal, and our drummer did a pretty good Stewart Copeland/Topper Headon...After R.E.M., we told him: "Look, all you need is a kick drum, a snare, and a hi-hat...And play five times as fast as you ever have before...Dude, how come you're all sweaty and out of breath?" It really wasn't until several years later that I realized that we were demanding this poor guy reinvent himself every couple of years, and that his instrument was infinitely more physically demanding than just downstrumming straight eighth note beats or mangling some pseudo-jangly arppegios on guitar...I'm really surprised he never told us to fuck off, or just killed us...
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Post by FreeRider on Mar 11, 2016 14:46:42 GMT -5
could be that he hears rhythmic things in his head that is too hard to translate to someone else unless they're a real pro at the drums (Michael Bland, Charlie Drayton, Josh...). I'm okay with Paul's drumming and that particular pattern he uses, but I'd much prefer that he not use it on every song or at least do something with it instead of just pounding that hi hat. Give us a drum fill, a cymbal crash or something to go along with it....otherwise, you may as well just use a drum machine.
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Post by Veets on Mar 12, 2016 13:13:50 GMT -5
This thread seems incomplete without some criticism of bass and vocals. Any takers, or shall I start?
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Post by TomT on Mar 12, 2016 13:55:50 GMT -5
This thread seems incomplete without some criticism of bass and vocals. Any takers, or shall I start? I really dig his bass line on Little People. That song has potential to be amazing on tour. It's Juliana with the solo if you didn't know. But I know you guys know. Geeks from the dork forest unite. I wasn't sure about the vocals on Dance to the Fight but that song has really grown on me. She's basically doing The Donnas. And that slightly late guitar and the horn fills are great. A great rocker I hope to see live also.
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