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Post by sivad on Aug 25, 2011 11:15:12 GMT -5
Kinda starting to feel that this is like when you break up with someone you really loved, by their choice, and you spend the next five years (or ten, or twenty) looking for little signs that maybe there's a chance you might get back together someday...When all along, you'd have been better off just accepting reality, and trying to move on with your own life...There's a whole world of music new and old out there that I've never really heard (lotta fish in the sea), so maybe I'll start putting more effort into looking into that, and stop worrying so much about what the ex is up to... Paul: "It's not you, it's me."
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Post by Jer on Aug 25, 2011 11:43:22 GMT -5
I also think the whole "Tommy needs a gig" jab is a bit contrived. I felt the same way a few years back when Tommy joined GnR and Paul was making comments insinuating that it was preventing them from working together. Of course Tommy doesn't need a gig.
The Rolling Stone piece kind of brings to a head the way this has been going for some time, like maybe they're sending out feelers to gauge intrest and like they're looking to be begged. Maybe there's some context missing in the quotes (definately possible) and you know Paul's capable of saying almost anything on any given day regardless of what he said the day before. I've never been in favor of a reunion, but this is the first time I thought the talk was just sounding sad.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Aug 25, 2011 20:59:59 GMT -5
I took the "Tommy needs a gig" comment to mean that Tommy enjoys playing with a band. I don’t think he meant it as a jab. I think he just meant that Tommy needs to play music with people, whereas Paul obviously does not.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Aug 25, 2011 21:01:21 GMT -5
Let's not forget Son of a Depression. That was a year ago, almost, when that was announced. We have yet to hear anything else about it. And if we ever do get to hear it, we already know it's at least a year old. Bummer. True, sadly, I forgot about this; it seems so long ago now. I still want hear it though . . . If it even exists.
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Jer
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Post by Jer on Aug 25, 2011 22:33:23 GMT -5
I took the "Tommy needs a gig" comment to mean that Tommy enjoys playing with a band. I don’t think he meant it as a jab. I think he just meant that Tommy needs to play music with people, whereas Paul obviously does not. That's a good point, you're probably right. I didn't consider that angle.
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Post by ih8music on Aug 28, 2011 0:13:25 GMT -5
A new interview with Tommy re: his new album & label was recently posted.
The last minute or so deals with the prospect of a reunion (surprise, surprise - doesn't sound likely).
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Squaw
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Post by Squaw on Aug 28, 2011 13:28:44 GMT -5
I'm right there with all of you who found this a bit depressing. I'm not so much bummed that there probably won't be a 'Mats reunion. If that were to happen it would be best if it were totally unplanned-- like if by sheer coincidence Paul and Tommy and Chris all walked into the same bar or bookstore or restaurant at the same time and said in unison, "Let's jam!". I’m with you on this brianlux. Kind of reminds me of the impromptu reunion of Sonny & Cher on the David Letterman show years ago. Nothing had been planned but David and the audience kept coaxing them to sing. Cher recalled in a subsequent interview that she was mortified at the prospect of performing that night, but she buckled under pressure and took the microphone when the band started playing the music for “I Got You Babe”. It was a beautiful, emotional moment, both Sonny and Cher together again! After Sonny’s death, Cher mentioned that performance as one of her most precious memories. (Note Sonny's reaction at the end.)
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Squaw
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Post by Squaw on Aug 28, 2011 13:38:42 GMT -5
I took the "Tommy needs a gig" comment to mean that Tommy enjoys playing with a band. I don’t think he meant it as a jab. I think he just meant that Tommy needs to play music with people, whereas Paul obviously does not. Absolutely agree. He wasn't trying to say Tommy needed money and he didn't.
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Post by Jer on Aug 28, 2011 13:56:22 GMT -5
I took the "Tommy needs a gig" comment to mean that Tommy enjoys playing with a band. I don’t think he meant it as a jab. I think he just meant that Tommy needs to play music with people, whereas Paul obviously does not. Absolutely agree. He wasn't trying to say Tommy needed money and he didn't. In hindsight I probably agree with you guys, but after re-reading the article it seems like Tommy took it the same way I originally did. Unsurprisingly, Tommy Stinson ... doesn't agree with Westerberg's assessment of the situation. "He thinks I need a gig?" Stinson says. "That's funny. I got fucking three or four gigs going at any one time.
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Post by bside on Aug 28, 2011 16:57:43 GMT -5
A new interview with Tommy re: his new album & label was recently posted. The last minute or so deals with the prospect of a reunion (surprise, surprise - doesn't sound likely). What a terrible video. Forbes interviewing Tommy? When is there going to be a pre-order?
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Post by A Regular on Aug 29, 2011 20:49:06 GMT -5
Whatever happened to Paul? I don’t know Whatever happened to Paul I don’t know He fell in with bad companions And he lived happily ever after, yo
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Post by FreeRider on Aug 30, 2011 8:55:11 GMT -5
you know, I was kind of thinking about this the other day. Maybe I'm being too harsh about him re-recording over demos and stuff. He DID say he's been playing a lot of saxaphone. What if he's recording cocktail type jazz just for himself, just to please his own creative impulses? (Think more Nightclub Jitters type stuff).
Maybe he knows that this isn't the right kind of music for his fan base and so it's okay to erase over it because nobody was ever going to hear that material anyway. I am reminded of an interview with Pete Townshend over the first "break up" of the Who, where he felt it was time to end it all because the songs he was coming up with weren't "right" for the Who.
Daltry didn't want to stop and said that it wasn't up to Pete to decide what songs were "right" for the band. But maybe Townshend was right: he was experimenting more with electronic synth/keyboard stuff that was waaay removed from the Who's identity. One of those songs came out on one his solo albums of his demos "Scoop II", I believe.
But let me ask the board: who among you would be interested in hearing anything Paul concocts in his basement? what if those demos he erased over were of a genre not to your liking, like real bluegrass, country, yodeling stuff? Would you still want to hear it?
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Post by ClamsCasino on Aug 30, 2011 10:09:11 GMT -5
Well, if Grandpaboy's Last Stand Part 2 got released, then what could he possibly be holding back? He actually said he hasn't been writing anything lately, so if we're talking about recordings of him making noises on a saxophone from last year, then we probably aren't missing anything. It doesn't sound like much else has been going on. He's already scraped the bottom of the barrel with the Last Stand stuff.
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Post by ih8music on Aug 30, 2011 10:36:34 GMT -5
But let me ask the board: who among you would be interested in hearing anything Paul concocts in his basement? what if those demos he erased over were of a genre not to your liking, like real bluegrass, country, yodeling stuff? Would you still want to hear it? I dunno, tough to say. There have been times when I've absolutely loved his basement output, warts and all... and there have been times when I've walked away from the recordings really disappointed that he didn't put a little more effort into turning the rough idea into something potentially great. Given what he's already put out, if Paul doesn't think what he's doing right now is worth sharing I'm not going to argue with him about that. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed again.
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Squaw
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Post by Squaw on Aug 30, 2011 14:53:09 GMT -5
But let me ask the board: who among you would be interested in hearing anything Paul concocts in his basement? what if those demos he erased over were of a genre not to your liking, like real bluegrass, country, yodeling stuff? Would you still want to hear it? If you mean like Jimmie Rodgers and his "Blue Yodel No. 9" , "Blue Yodel No. 1", or any of his “Blue Yodel” songs - heck yeah! I lean more toward a red neck than blue blood! You may be on to something here FreeRider, as Jimmie was truly a son of The Depression. There are many artists in the genres you listed that I enjoy. So yes, I would want to hear whatever type of music Paul records. That’s no guarantee I would like it, but I’d want to be given the opportunity.
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Post by FreeRider on Aug 30, 2011 16:01:57 GMT -5
If you mean like Jimmie Rodgers and his "Blue Yodel No. 9" , "Blue Yodel No. 1", or any of his “Blue Yodel” songs - heck yeah! I lean more toward a red neck than blue blood! You may be on to something here FreeRider, as Jimmie was truly a son of The Depression. I am stuck between red necky and blue bloody, so I lean towards a bloody neck. Cool that you dig that rootsy, country stuff. I get a sense that your tastes are a little eclectic? if so, that's cool, because I listen to a variety of things (Tibetan monks "throat" singing anyone, or experimental synth music?)...I don't LOVE it all, but I'm open to hearing something intriguing. But yes, good point. There's no gurantee that I'd like demos of Paul doing his John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman impersonations on the sax in their more avant garde and dissonant musical periods of their careers....but I'd like the opportunity to hear some of it. And yet, I can fully understand Clams and ih8music's view point as well that we may not be missing much anyway.
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Post by Noviello on Aug 30, 2011 17:24:55 GMT -5
Well.. Paul says, "God... I don't know", while Tommy says " if a reunion happens, it happens". Paul thinks that "Chris wouldn't do it" -- it means that at least he and Tommy would do it.
The article is kinda depressing, specially at the end, but has some hope.
But I don't get it... Tommy says, "the only reason we would ever do it would be to get paid". Why don't they just reunite, to have some fun and to please the fans? Just a few concerts for a few months, at least? Everybody would have such great time. They just need some push, some impulse, something to get excited about touring. Maybe by doing this box set, Paul gets excited about a reunion.
I think it's great to move and to forge about our lives sometimes... so, was good to Replacements broke up, and to Chris to merge into his artistic life, and Tommy with his own music, same to Paul. but I think that, at some point, it is important to remember who we really are. And they're the Replacements, goddammit!!!
It's sad to know that Paul is not concerned about a new record... He might be just having fun by making music, like an amateur musician. But tomorrow he may change his mind.
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Squaw
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Post by Squaw on Aug 31, 2011 2:40:35 GMT -5
If you mean like Jimmie Rodgers and his "Blue Yodel No. 9" , "Blue Yodel No. 1", or any of his “Blue Yodel” songs - heck yeah! I lean more toward a red neck than blue blood! You may be on to something here FreeRider, as Jimmie was truly a son of The Depression. I am stuck between red necky and blue bloody, so I lean towards a bloody neck. Cool that you dig that rootsy, country stuff. I get a sense that your tastes are a little eclectic? if so, that's cool, because I listen to a variety of things (Tibetan monks "throat" singing anyone, or experimental synth music?)...I don't LOVE it all, but I'm open to hearing something intriguing. But yes, good point. There's no gurantee that I'd like demos of Paul doing his John Coltrane or Ornette Coleman impersonations on the sax in their more avant garde and dissonant musical periods of their careers....but I'd like the opportunity to hear some of it. And yet, I can fully understand Clams and ih8music's view point as well that we may not be missing much anyway. I like your bloody neck approach FreeRider! Best of all possible worlds as Kristofferson would say. I too, just had to listen to the Tibetan Monks throat singing. Once was enough! Very interesting though. I'm always open minded when it comes to music. No one type of music is appropriate for all moods or every situation. American music and its formation interests me as well. The songs that stand the test of time come in all genres; folk, jazz, rock, bluegrass, etc. If I had Paul's talent I would be doing exactly what he is doing. It doesn't matter what you call it, if it sounds good, do it! Yesterday's rock is today's country. And so it will go till the end of time. I mentioned Jimmie Rodgers earlier. Much of his music is timeless. It has influenced everyone from Muddy Waters to Hank Williams to Dylan. One of my favorite Bono tunes is "Dreaming With Tears In My Eyes". Hard to believe it was written and sung by Rodgers 80 years ago, and not so differently than Bono performs it. Paul's approach to other's songs he has covered is simply brilliant, to me anyway. I guess that is why I'm not too worried if he is grabbing ideas from the past or inventing new ones. I know it will fill a vacancy in me one way or another.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Aug 31, 2011 10:24:56 GMT -5
It's sad to know that Paul is not concerned about a new record... He might be just having fun by making music, like an amateur musician. Except that he said he isn't making any music. That's the sad part. But I guess he's probably having fun with his son. I kind of wonder if "why bother?" isn't the end result of a self fulfilling prophecy. He's been whittling his audience down to the faithful few with each internet release, and now he gets to say, "Why bother?". Somebody here once posted the SoundScan numbers for every release since 14 Songs, and it was a pretty depressing slide down. At least, it can't be too motivating from Paul's perspective. So he put himself in the position of having a fraction of his original audience, and now there's no reason for him to release anything. It's almost a classic Replacements move.
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