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Post by melbmatsfan on Nov 27, 2010 20:23:19 GMT -5
Thanks FreeRider. I couldn't see anything about ordering it online but I did notice a music store down the road from me stocks their publications so I might go in there this week and ask them.
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Post by brianlux on Nov 28, 2010 11:24:18 GMT -5
thanks for the preview, dee! now, that is rather curious that the chords aren't diagrammed for all the songs. Maybe it's because Paul isn't playing entire chords but notes within a chord or some partial chord? perhaps the transcribers weren't sure what the hell chord it was and let the tabs be your guide to the fingerings. Good point, FreeRider. If you watch Paul's playing on his SNL apppearance where he did "Knockin' on Mine" and "Can't Hardly Wait", it looks like he was playing partial chords. Not to make any comparisons (because they have totally different styles) but in the documentary "It Might Get Loud", Edge explains how he does the same thing with chords. I also imagine Paul plays some - or maybe several- songs a little differently each time.
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Post by sivad on Nov 28, 2010 11:53:55 GMT -5
Not to beat a dead horse, but did anyone notice the lyrics to "I Will Dare" clearly states ~ fingernails~?
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Post by glgbill on Nov 28, 2010 14:31:00 GMT -5
Not to beat a dead horse, but did anyone notice the lyrics to "I Will Dare" clearly states ~ fingernails~? Yes...it's got to be fingernails. Just ordered my copy and I'll confirm when it arrives, if someone else doesn't first.
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Post by dee on Nov 28, 2010 17:07:00 GMT -5
"Got no WORD to name us" ?
Don't know if this book is the definitive lyric reference.
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Post by wecantgetanybetter on Nov 28, 2010 17:13:37 GMT -5
"Got no WORD to name us" ? Don't know if this book is the definitive lyric reference. The RNR HOF version has "warrant (sic) to name us" www.paulwesterberg.com/fame.htm
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Post by melbmatsfan on Nov 28, 2010 21:31:21 GMT -5
So I went down to the music store near me and asked about this book. They called Hal Leonard's and asked them about it and they tell me they should have copies in about three weeks and it will cost me around $20 (which is great considering if I was to order it online it would cost me the same plus another $20 odd in postage!). I guess now it's just a waiting game.
Thanks for the tip FreeRider.
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Post by FreeRider on Nov 28, 2010 23:13:46 GMT -5
So I went down to the music store near me and asked about this book. They called Hal Leonard's and asked them about it and they tell me they should have copies in about three weeks and it will cost me around $20 (which is great considering if I was to order it online it would cost me the same plus another $20 odd in postage!). I guess now it's just a waiting game. Thanks for the tip FreeRider. awesome! it'll be well worth the wait. i assume you also play guitar? this should be a real treat; i know i'm really getting an appreciation for Paul's songwriting abilities. as i said previously, this ain't just three chord rock!
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Post by melbmatsfan on Nov 29, 2010 2:23:39 GMT -5
awesome! it'll be well worth the wait. i assume you also play guitar? this should be a real treat; i know i'm really getting an appreciation for Paul's songwriting abilities. as i said previously, this ain't just three chord rock! I have owned guitars since my mid teens and have only recently started getting actual guitar lessons! 15 years of never progressing past basic power chords! I will have no idea what to make of this book, but I figure it's taken me this long to get this far with guitar so I have all the time in the world to learn.
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Post by GtrPlyr on Nov 29, 2010 12:06:11 GMT -5
I got mine today. Quickly flipped through the book with guitar in hand. The ones I checked seemed pretty accurate. The only weak part of the book might be the cover photo. Of all the PW photos around, this one is near the bottom for me. A nice shot of PW playing guitar in concert would've been a better choice, and more enticing to consumers I believe. I suppose the publishers went the cheap route in picking this photo. p.s. it's fingernails in I Will Dare .
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Post by cford on Nov 29, 2010 12:29:38 GMT -5
I got mine today. Quickly flipped through the book with guitar in hand. The ones I checked seemed pretty accurate. The only weak part of the book might be the cover photo. Of all the PW photos around, this one is near the bottom for me. A nice shot of PW playing guitar in concert would've been a better choice, and more enticing to consumers I believe. I suppose the publishers went the cheap route in picking this photo. p.s. it's fingernails in I Will Dare . What about the disputed lyrics in Bastards of Young? CF
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Post by GtrPlyr on Nov 29, 2010 13:22:33 GMT -5
What about the disputed lyrics in Bastards of Young? CF They Have it as: Elvis in the ground, there ain't no beer tonight Unwillingness to claim us, ya got no word to name us Take it, it's yours And for Alex Chilton: Cerebral rape and pillage Runnin' 'round the house/Mickey Louse and the tarot cards/Falling asleep with a fop-pop video on
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Post by cford on Nov 29, 2010 14:32:16 GMT -5
What about the disputed lyrics in Bastards of Young? CF They Have it as: Elvis in the ground, there ain't no beer tonight Unwillingness to claim us, ya got no word to name us Take it, it's yours And for Alex Chilton: Cerebral rape and pillage Runnin' 'round the house/Mickey Louse and the tarot cards/Falling asleep with a fop-pop video on Mickey Louse? yea, I've never been clear on how the Hal Leonard Corp comes up with their arrangements.. You can bet they do not come from the author. I have the two Beatles volumes. They seem generally accurate, but some of the more nuanced stuff (think "Blackbird", for example) is over simplified to the point of being unusable. I would guess the Westerberg book might fall into the same trap. CF
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Post by wecantgetanybetter on Dec 3, 2010 13:35:45 GMT -5
So I went down to the music store near me and asked about this book. They called Hal Leonard's and asked them about it and they tell me they should have copies in about three weeks and it will cost me around $20 (which is great considering if I was to order it online it would cost me the same plus another $20 odd in postage!). I guess now it's just a waiting game. Thanks for the tip FreeRider. FWIW, the title page gives the contact information for Hal Leonard Australia Pty. Ltd. (No other countries listed.) Also FWIW, I ordered the Hold Steady's first guitar tab anthology (also new) at the same time. The Hold Steady book has 17 songs in 90 pages. The PW book has 15 songs in 160 pages.
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Post by wecantgetanybetter on Dec 3, 2010 13:44:46 GMT -5
Is the sticker a Montreal Candiens logo? Looks like it! Confirmed. You guys are good. But what's the other sticker?
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Post by Chris on Dec 6, 2010 21:41:10 GMT -5
Wecantget - that there is the logo of the Montreal Canadiens hockey club: Guess Paul's not wild about the local team, though that Strat could have been a gift from Celine Dion....
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Post by madmickey87 on Dec 19, 2010 17:43:44 GMT -5
.... It's a nice thorough, thick book. Paul looks aggrivated on the cover.....Haven't looked at it with a guitar in hand yet, but the tabs look detailed and complete. I'm sure these tunes were transcribed by someone else - I'd bet Paul has no idea how to play Shiftless When Idle anymore. Yeah, the book is thicker than I thought. They tabbed out multiple guitar parts, it's not just the one rhythm guitar or anything for some songs. It's for all guitar parts. And what's surprising to me is how the tabs reveal what an accomplished songwriter Paul is. This simply isn't just three chord rock! Even for something that sounds simple, like 'Dyslexic Heart', it's got interesting sustained chords in it, 7ths, added 9ths. Paul has the ability to utilize more than just major and minor chords. And DH is in standard tuning. I thought for sure one of the guitars was in an open tuning. What fooled me was the sustained chords he was playing! the book lists several transcribers. They must've had fun working on the open tuning stuff and trying to sort out what he was doing. Those suspended chords and added 9ths (or sus2 chords, which are much the same as the added 9th) are a real staple of Westerberg's style, as well as Bob Mould's rhythm parts. While there are a number of players who may have inspired this aspect of Westerberg and Mould's playing, I've always suspected they may have picked it up from Pete Townshend, who makes constant use of these voicings. As a guitarist and songwriter, I know that's where I picked a lot of that stuff up at (a few years before I'd heard Paul or Bob, when I was a teenaged Who fanatic). I'm waiting for my copy of the Westerberg songbook-I have a few quibbles with the song choices (I'd love to see "Go," "Swingin' Party" or "Angels Walk"), but I'll be very interested in seeing the "Alex Chilton" transcription. It's the only Mats song I've ever seen transcribed in a guitar mag, but it was done in standard tuning and always seemed a bit off.
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Post by FreeRider on Dec 20, 2010 14:00:04 GMT -5
very true....Townshend may have been a bigger influence on Paul than we know about. I remember seeing some documentary on The Who and Daltry was talking about playing with some other guys or soem guitar playing with Daltry and he asked them to start off with an E chord. The guy played it and Daltry said, "That isn't an E chord..."
it was, but Daltry was so used to hearing it the way Pete played it, which was really like an E add9 or something. and it had a much fuller sound.
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Post by cford on Jan 3, 2011 0:41:28 GMT -5
Ok.. I've been wanting to weigh in on this Westerberg Song book.. I got my copy for Christmas.. It seems very thoroughly worked out musically.. However, it is inconsistent with providing the actual chord fingering diagrams. I like those and they are not provided in every case. Instead, each song provides a guitar "TAB" line which seems accurate, but I have always had trouble deciphering them. It takes time.. Also, the book tends to make even fairly simple Westerberg songs (i.e. "Color Me Impressed") seem incredibly difficult...I suspect this book will not be particularly useful..But, I'm glad it's there...I have not yet examined the proposed lyrics.
CF
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