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Post by gowhileucan on Oct 18, 2009 15:30:36 GMT -5
Spending alot of time today listening to Dylan's "Love and Theft" a record I am almost positive Paul must love.
Every time I play this I think he could do an album like this at some point - really loose, funny but also poignant.
Any others, in recent years that fit this criteria?
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Post by scoOter on Oct 19, 2009 11:55:28 GMT -5
most any matthew ryan album, but return to me in particular.
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Post by brianlux on Oct 19, 2009 16:57:29 GMT -5
Seems to me I remember a P.W. interview in which he said something like, "Everytime I turn on the radio I hear something that sounds like someone trying to copy me."
I don't listen to the radio much so I wouldn't know, but- for better or worse- if that's true this list could get fairly long.
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Post by gage on Oct 19, 2009 18:14:46 GMT -5
He doesn't sound anything like Bob or Paul but Manu Chao does some pretty silly, loose, with a dose of seriousness stuff on his Proxima Estacion: Esperanza and Clandestino albums. And, though it doesn't show, Manu is a Johnny Thunders fan too.
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Post by Placemat on Oct 19, 2009 18:20:34 GMT -5
Anything by Grandpaboy.
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Post by FreeRider on Oct 19, 2009 21:29:39 GMT -5
Seems to me I remember a P.W. interview in which he said something like, "Everytime I turn on the radio I hear something that sounds like someone trying to copy me." I don't listen to the radio much so I wouldn't know, but- for better or worse- if that's true this list could get fairly long. I believe that was an interview that was posted on the Vagrant website and later taken off: "While he has been out of the spotlight, Westeberg's influence has grown. From Soul Asylum and the Goo Goo Dolls to Wilco and Ryan Adams, he has gotten into the DNA of rock and roll. The British magazine Select recently cited the Replacements "All Shook Down" as a seminal influence on the Alt-Country genre. All of which got a reaction from Westerberg, typical of a man who never wanted to belong to any club that would have him as a member.
It's driven me back to the basement!" Westerberg snapped. "I turn on the radio and I hear something that sounds vaguely reminiscent of me and I think, 'That's not how it goes, you dumb fuck! THIS is how it should go! I heard myself in so many different forms that I was not sure if I'd gone crazy or not. Before I started making records nobody sounded like me. Now I hear myself in everything. Am I nuts or is it true? My ego can't accept it, so it makes me paranoid, like I'm crazy. Like, 'It can't be! I'm nuts.' But when I see the haircuts and I see the way they're standing - then I want to kick their teeth down their throats. I mean that. There is a part of me that wants to be Chuck Berry at the airport if you know what I mean. That's the same part of me that put that little garage band together 20 years ago. That part of me will never go away."
Westerberg calmed down, turned philosophical, and said, “But you know, Johnny Thunders never hit me.” Then he smiled. “He had the chance. He missed.” And that begat Ryan Adams' one sided feud.... |
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Post by tims on Oct 19, 2009 21:39:50 GMT -5
The sad thing is that Adams is the most likely successor to Westerberg and they could probably have done some pretty brilliant work together. If Adams would be less of a self-important prick he might realize that. 'Faithless Street' owes a shitload to the 'Mats.
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Post by bombpop on Oct 19, 2009 23:14:44 GMT -5
The sad thing is that Adams is the most likely successor to Westerberg and they could probably have done some pretty brilliant work together. If Adams would be less of a self-important prick he might realize that. 'Faithless Street' owes a shitload to the 'Mats. I don't think it's sad, at least not in that way. They can definitely fuel each other, but I don't ever see them existing together. It just doesn't make sense to me that either one would ever even consider that possibility. They are far too similar to allow that to happen. |
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Post by brianlux on Oct 20, 2009 0:00:03 GMT -5
Seems to me I remember a P.W. interview in which he said something like, "Everytime I turn on the radio I hear something that sounds like someone trying to copy me." I don't listen to the radio much so I wouldn't know, but- for better or worse- if that's true this list could get fairly long. I believe that was an interview that was posted on the Vagrant website and later taken off: "While he has been out of the spotlight, Westeberg's influence has grown. From Soul Asylum and the Goo Goo Dolls to Wilco and Ryan Adams, he has gotten into the DNA of rock and roll. The British magazine Select recently cited the Replacements "All Shook Down" as a seminal influence on the Alt-Country genre. All of which got a reaction from Westerberg, typical of a man who never wanted to belong to any club that would have him as a member.
It's driven me back to the basement!" Westerberg snapped. "I turn on the radio and I hear something that sounds vaguely reminiscent of me and I think, 'That's not how it goes, you dumb fuck! THIS is how it should go! I heard myself in so many different forms that I was not sure if I'd gone crazy or not. Before I started making records nobody sounded like me. Now I hear myself in everything. Am I nuts or is it true? My ego can't accept it, so it makes me paranoid, like I'm crazy. Like, 'It can't be! I'm nuts.' But when I see the haircuts and I see the way they're standing - then I want to kick their teeth down their throats. I mean that. There is a part of me that wants to be Chuck Berry at the airport if you know what I mean. That's the same part of me that put that little garage band together 20 years ago. That part of me will never go away."
Westerberg calmed down, turned philosophical, and said, “But you know, Johnny Thunders never hit me.” Then he smiled. “He had the chance. He missed.” And that begat Ryan Adams' one sided feud.... That's the one. Thank you FreeRider! |
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Post by scoOter on Oct 20, 2009 8:42:20 GMT -5
another thread reminded me of this guy, but mike nicolai! his old mpls band, the draghounds, was very, very garage band & thus owed a ton to the mats/magnolias set. his solo work from his now austin, tx homebase ranges from rocking to pensive, is recorded seemingly at home (at least sometimes), etc. i think most people here would like him. if you go to free.napster.com, you can listen to his album, god fatigue in the post-atomic age. that's all that is offered on that site. i have the album, woody allen stunt footage, and that one is outstanding. i am listening online to god fatigue for the first time, and i like it. if you can find cd's by the draghounds (there are 2 that i know of, and they are both the cat's pajamas), get them. good mats-esque rock & roll. |
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Post by kgp on Oct 20, 2009 8:55:45 GMT -5
The sad thing is that Adams is the most likely successor to Westerberg To be honest, I don't hear a lot of Paul in him. Or rather, I don't only hear Paul in him. I think Ryan got the "Next Paul Westerberg" label affixed to him early in his career and it stuck. And let's face it, he physically resembles him. (Short, dark messy hair, sometimes wears glasses...) |
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Post by thepogo on Oct 20, 2009 10:29:23 GMT -5
I thinks its a insult to Westerberg to even have Adams name in the same sentence. I will say that I like some of the Whiskeytown songs. But Adams solo stuff just completely sucks. A bunch of fuckin' whinning is all I hear. Boring, Boring, Boring, Sidney!
I hope Paul never does anything with this guy!
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Post by FreeRider on Oct 20, 2009 11:02:18 GMT -5
I thinks its a insult to Westerberg to even have Adams name in the same sentence.... I hope Paul never does anything with this guy! hahaha! Don't hold back, pogo! I don't hate the guy but I guess I'm a bit indifferent to him because I have Paul. What resonates with me is Paul's music, so there's no need for me to look elsewhere for someone that might be similar. |
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Post by FreeRider on Oct 20, 2009 11:11:13 GMT -5
That's the one. Thank you FreeRider! brianlux, that was the right article but not the one in which Paul makes direct reference to Ryan Adams and the teeth kicking. The ACTUAL quote where Paul talked about teeth kicking in direct reference to Adams was from the LA New Times interview with Bill Holdship, April 2002. But it no longer seems to be online but I've got it saved. It probably embarrasses Paul whenever it's brought up, so I won't provide the direct quote and I don't mean to start up another debate about the two. if anyone really wants the article, just shoot me a PM. |
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Post by brianlux on Oct 20, 2009 19:45:14 GMT -5
That's the one. Thank you FreeRider! brianlux, that was the right article but not the one in which Paul makes direct reference to Ryan Adams and the teeth kicking. The ACTUAL quote where Paul talked about teeth kicking in direct reference to Adams was from the LA New Times interview with Bill Holdship, April 2002. But it no longer seems to be online but I've got it saved. It probably embarrasses Paul whenever it's brought up, so I won't provide the direct quote and I don't mean to start up another debate about the two. if anyone really wants the article, just shoot me a PM. Thanks FreeRider. It was the highlighted section I remember. The teeth kicking bit was probably one of those things, you know, where a person says something and thinks, "Damn, wish I hadn't said that". Glad I never do that (yeah, right!  ) |
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Post by bafflewit on Oct 21, 2009 3:31:41 GMT -5
I have always found it odd that he has become the alt-country archetype, especially since it didn't really exist or was in it's infancy when he was doing it .
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Post by bafflewit on Oct 21, 2009 3:34:29 GMT -5
Most of the early gin Blossoms recordings could hav epassed for westerberg tunes when they first came out. There is also an underlying Byrds/Beach Boys vibe to their stuff, but the subject matter is definitely 'mats like (basically drinking and falling out of love)
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Post by cford on Oct 21, 2009 9:59:33 GMT -5
Most of the early gin Blossoms recordings could hav epassed for westerberg tunes when they first came out. There is also an underlying Byrds/Beach Boys vibe to their stuff, but the subject matter is definitely 'mats like (basically drinking and falling out of love) Yes, that was probably due to original member and tragic figure Doug Hopkins who probably had more in common with Bob Stinson than Westerberg. CF |
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Post by Philip Garcia on Oct 21, 2009 13:29:12 GMT -5
I have always found it odd that he has become the alt-country archetype, especially since it didn't really exist or was in it's infancy when he was doing it . I've always found it amusing how much the replacements and paul westerberg have influenced the alt-country movement, especially when you consider that the replacements were punk rock to begin with. I suppose the main relation is through folk music, which although very different musically from punk, has quite a few commonalities with it. It's just strange to tell an outside observer that punk and folk are similar... I suppose when I reexamine things, I consider Paul's music to be (most so past-mats, but even during mid and late period mats) to be a blending of folk and punk rock traditions. obviously, his newer stuff has more of an alt-country feel. I think the other part of the argument that can't be ignored is the fact that the replacements were from MPLS. If they were from the west coast, or north east, I do not think they would have made a dent on the alt-country scene... Even assuming that their music was the same despite them living out there. This has everything to do with the MPLS music scene at the time, that bred newer bands that helped define what would become the "alt-country" scene. In particular, I think of The Jayhawks who definitely had the hometown influence from the replacements imprinted on them. Even if the influence was more subtle, and less of a direct change to their music, I think it was impossible for any small band from MPLS at the time to ignore the mats and what they were doing, they were just too integral into the scene. As alt-country emerged, other midwestern bands expanded out following some of the earlier templates established. As alt-country initially seemed to have a strong mid-western representation, it makes sense for the 'mats influence to live on. Today the scene is far more spread out and diverse I suppose, but the roots were laid down by the early bands, and the people that got into them, and the americana/alt-country scene tended to have a very broad musical background, pushing them to be familiar with some of the "unknown classics" such as Big Star, The Replacements, etc. Maybe i'm just talking out of my ass here, and I don't know if I really have a point with where I'm going, but just trying to link the replacements importance to the music scene of the time to their relevance to alt-country... Dunno how well it works though. Phil |
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Post by thepogo on Oct 21, 2009 14:46:46 GMT -5
Wilco & Sonvolt are prime examples. Tweedy has said when he writes, it 90% Westerberg in his head.
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