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Post by prine on May 20, 2004 0:42:54 GMT -5
Knowing that Paul cites the Stones and the Faces as his main influences, I was just wondering if anyone actually listens to the Faces (assuming that everyone who likes Paul has the Stones somewhere in their collection). I first got into the Faces because I heard that the Mats were influenced by them and I haven't looked back. You can hear the Mats in songs like Miss Judy's Farm and Bad n' Ruin. I kinda think that Tommy was even more influenced by them cuz the Bash n' Pop album is pure Faces. You can kind of figure out the Mats thing if you throw in the Faces/Stones for the boozy aspect and the Big Star for the pop. It'd be interesting to see the folks on this board stretch their 70's muscles.
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Post by scoOter on May 20, 2004 7:39:30 GMT -5
Knowing that Paul cites the Stones and the Faces as his main influences, I was just wondering if anyone actually listens to the Faces (assuming that everyone who likes Paul has the Stones somewhere in their collection). I first got into the Faces because I heard that the Mats were influenced by them and I haven't looked back. You can hear the Mats in songs like Miss Judy's Farm and Bad n' Ruin. I kinda think that Tommy was even more influenced by them cuz the Bash n' Pop album is pure Faces. You can kind of figure out the Mats thing if you throw in the Faces/Stones for the boozy aspect and the Big Star for the pop. It'd be interesting to see the folks on this board stretch their 70's muscles. why, there's a whole thread in the misc section that i started devoted to the faces (well, and the kinks)... i was looking for a recommendation on the best faces/small faces album for the discerning mats fan....
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Post by allwasheddown on May 20, 2004 10:56:00 GMT -5
Oh, the Faces are great. But there's a big difference between the Faces, who Paul called the best band ever, period, and the Small Faces (of Itchycoo Park fame, before Rod Stewart and Ron Wood joined the band). I think Ooh La La is great, though it's towards their end, with Ron Wood singing the title song 'cause Rod was too busy playing soccer and doing blow with 13 year old models as a solo star in the US. Long Player and A Nods As Good As A Wink are great too. Ron Wood is an incredible guitarist, even better with the Faces than with the Stones. When Tommy says that Friday Night has a more Ron Wood feel than a Keith feel, I think he is referring to the fact that the guitars are mostly tuned to open E (Ron Wood with the Faces) than open G (Keith's main tuning).
I think there are two kinds of Replacements fans. Those for who the band was the culmination of bands like the Stones, the Faces, Dylan, the Ramones, the NY Dolls, and Big Star -- like a ten car teenage Midwestern pile up of all these bands. And then there's the Replacements fans for who the band is the start of something, a band that begets Ryan Adams and the Old 97s and the Goo Goo Dolls and all this other total crap. I would consider myself to fall, face first usually, into the first category. You?
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Post by A Regular on May 20, 2004 11:32:24 GMT -5
I think there are two kinds of Replacements fans. Those for who the band was the culmination of bands like the Stones, the Faces, Dylan, the Ramones, the NY Dolls, and Big Star -- like a ten car teenage Midwestern pile up of all these bands. And then there's the Replacements fans for who the band is the start of something, a band that begets Ryan Adams and the Old 97s and the Goo Goo Dolls and all this other total crap. I would consider myself to fall, face first usually, into the first category. You? Well, if you put it like THAT. Who wants to raise their hands for the CRAP category? Its more a generational thing, and I'm old enough to fall into the former. And besides the influences you mention, I even hear some Tommy James, Paul Revere, Monkees and late 60s AM radio influences. However, I still don't mind RA or Old 97s, just because they are upstarts. It would be like Stones die hards bashing mono as strictly derivitive. (We were here first!) Now, the Goo Goos on the other hand..
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Post by prine on May 20, 2004 12:23:48 GMT -5
Scooter, I must have missed your earlier Faces posting. If I had to pick one Faces album it certainly would be...Dead Horse but maybe their best track is Pool Hall Richard which you can find on the greatest hits album as an unreleased track. That song is as ferocious as anything off the early Mats albums. When I hear the the beer bottle clanking on the floor at the end of Treatment Bound, I think of the bottle smashing during Pool Hall Richard and a kind of weird parrallel between the two bands.
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Post by allwasheddown on May 20, 2004 12:28:30 GMT -5
You're totally right. That AM pop stuff gets really played down with the Mats, but it was there in spades. That's one thing that's so great about Paul. I remember him chiding whatshisname from Rolling Stone in 86 to not be such a rock snob. I remember them covering Yummy, Yummy, Yummy and Love Grows Where My Rosemary Goes and, of course, Hitchin' A Ride. They were such a great blender (as in the appliance), making the DeFranco Family just as valid as the Stones. Really cool.
I don't really dismiss RA and the Old 97s because they're upstarts. I just don't really care too much for the 97s, though that guy Rhett Miller is a nice guy, and Ryan Adams I just think is a talentless little blowhard hack, third rate Blonde on Blonde rip off. But hey, I'm all for good, tough, new rock and roll bands who can swing and write a song. Grand Mal is a great example. That guy Bill Whitten is amazing.
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Post by scoOter on May 20, 2004 16:26:08 GMT -5
wow. i love old 97's. ryan adams... eh? i like some of his stuff. some of whiskeytown. not nearly all of it.
and thanks for the recommendations on the faces. i will check them out.
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Post by reservations on May 20, 2004 23:44:27 GMT -5
The Faces are pretty good, but they aren't my fave. In fact, I'm not that big a stones fan either (couple of early singles, three really good albums, and then they just FROZE). And they were before my time really, so I never felt like they were the band for me now, that I never had cos I missed the stones (or whoever).
That said, I was a hardcore Mats fan well before the Old 97's and the 97s are orsum. One of the best bands around.
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Post by prine on May 21, 2004 0:33:44 GMT -5
Don't see what's so wrong with Whiskeytown. For the most part they're influenced by the Flying Burrito Brothers, the Byrds and Uncle Tupelo. Ryan Adams solo is another thing. He's a bit of blatant rip off of Paul, but hell, Paul rips Keith Richards pretty heavily and you don't hear Keith saying he'd like to kick Paul's teeth down his throat. Whiskeytown's Strangers Almanac is on heavy rotation nowadays despite my earlier uneasiness. Kind of feel like I'm cheatin on someone tho...
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Post by scoOter on May 21, 2004 8:22:44 GMT -5
ryan adams suffer from the same affliction as prince: he releases everything that falls out of his head, and some of it flat fvckin' sucks. when he is on, the songs are brilliant (much like the little purple hermit). when he is off, well you know the rest...
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Post by mrwhirly on May 21, 2004 22:11:38 GMT -5
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Post by prine on May 23, 2004 0:40:18 GMT -5
Yah, Ron Wood's "I've Got My Own Album To Do" is goddamn classic. I've kinda noticed that Paul picked up his 'laughing in the middle of a line' deal from Ron Wood and the Faces. If anyone has seen the Stones play recently, you'll notice that Keith and Ron are looking at each other and breaking into laughter, much like Paul did on SNL both times he was on, once with the Mats at the most important moment of Bastards of Young, as well as the climax of Can't Hardly Wait a few years later. I think it's essential to understand the Faces and 70's Stones to get the Mats and Paul in general. The whole point is to be unprofessional and write something brilliant at the same time and let it all fall out. It's like some massive inside joke that only he gets.
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Post by prine on May 23, 2004 0:41:54 GMT -5
Of course you meant Ronnie Lane, whoops.
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Post by Placemat on May 23, 2004 12:12:44 GMT -5
I'd just like to say thanks for this thread & Scooter's. I'd never given the Faces a spin before. However, after reading the posts in these two threads I picked up A Nod Is As Good As A Wink...& was blown away. This is where Ron Wood comes from? Rod Stewart was cool? I had no idea. I'm off to the record store tonight to check out the other gems mentioned. Is there anything better than great new music to digest? Thanks again to those who made recommendations.
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Post by mrwhirly on May 23, 2004 21:57:14 GMT -5
Of course you meant Ronnie Lane, whoops. yeah, Ronnie Lane's "Slim chance", "One for the Road" and "Anymore for Anymore" are all unheard classics seek and find them, sit down with a 12 pack and watch the day roll by with these as a soundtrack. Just pure good time music. Ron Wood's "own album" is a great rocker especially with the Son Volt covered "mystifies me".
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Post by allwasheddown on May 24, 2004 13:21:02 GMT -5
Ron Wood sings "Ooh La La."
It's his first lead vocal. Ron Wood wrote the music and sang it. Ronnie Lane wrote the lyrics.
I'm pretty sure Ronnie Lane sings "Tickled to Tears", though.
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Post by crenshaw on May 25, 2004 14:54:09 GMT -5
The Faces/Five Guys Walk Into a Bar 4 CD Box Set Release date: 6/29/04-Rhino
5 hours of remastered music 67 selections-31 previously unreleased. liner notes by David Fricke Testimonials by Westerberg, Tweedy, etc
Available in quantities at your fave-rave record stores.
COME AND GET'EM KIDS!
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