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Post by scoOter on Jan 8, 2004 13:44:49 GMT -5
you can always complain about production, but always, always, a good song will overcome it.
if you find that you cannot reconcile what you think is a good song due to its bad production, chances are it is not a good song afterall.
word.
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Post by scoOter on Jan 8, 2004 13:45:17 GMT -5
oh, and that list is largely bollocks.
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Post by ElegantMule on Jan 8, 2004 23:03:23 GMT -5
My dorky .02 - I freaking hated Radiohead until I heard "I Might be Wrong." That live disc gave me shivers and still does occasionally. I backtracked of course, got all the other stuff, but this disc still does it for me. As far as live discs I've heard, it beats the Bay City Rollers.
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Post by landshark on Jan 8, 2004 23:24:40 GMT -5
Hey Regular, funny post. I would have been the worst roomie, I inflicted both Dead *and* 'Street Hassle' on my poor friends, but did you ever make anyone listen to "Berlin"?
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Post by A Regular on Jan 9, 2004 8:55:01 GMT -5
Of course my friends had to listen to Berlin, but I always warned them that it was the bleakest song cycle they would ever hear. My wife still makes me skip "The Kids" when it comes on..she freaks on when the kids started bawling. But she hates Lou in general!
And Street Hassle is best played loud, on headphones!
I could never convince anyone that the Velvets were the best band of their time. People just can't get past the vocals, or odd arrangements.
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Post by duckfoot on Jan 9, 2004 9:15:38 GMT -5
One day I was sitting in my dorm room playing Nintendo(yes, the old one) and I heard somebody playing an acoustic guitar and singing in the hall. The song was "There She Goes" which I believe is a Velvet's song. I only knew REM had covered it and had never heard the original. Anyway the guitar and voice got louder and next thing I know some guy walks past my door with a guitar, looks in my room and stops in the doorway. He looks around my room at all the posters and I guess he must have seem my Mats posters because he suddenly rips into, "Color Me Impressed" It was funny to him I later discoverd after he bummed a smoke, since he thought he was the only person at the school who had ever heard of the Mats. He was a huge Velvets/Lou Reed Fan, but he thought the Mats were amazing.
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Post by A Regular on Jan 9, 2004 9:35:00 GMT -5
Must have been Femme Fatale. Good writing is good writing, be in from NYC of MPLS!
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Post by elgoodo on Jan 9, 2004 10:33:54 GMT -5
REM covered There She Goes Again, Femme Fatale, and Pale Blue Eyes... all 3 on the Dead Letter Office record...
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Post by A Regular on Jan 9, 2004 12:30:36 GMT -5
There she goes again... Here she comes...
Who can keep up?
I actually have that REM outtakes CD, but haven't listened to it in years.
While on the VU topic, next week there is a release of a 1972 concert with Lou Reed, John Cale, and Nico that was recorded in France. I've read that it is pretty good, with each having a few songs to be featured in.
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Post by bigbak on Sept 29, 2004 9:53:58 GMT -5
After reading this list, it struck me hard that if the writer had indeed actually bought any of these albums, it was in a desperate attempt to be cool, impress a girl in hopes of getting laid, or because he hopped on a band wagon. Nowhere on that list are albums that meet his stated criteria. Where are "Thriller", "Slippery When Wet ","Out of the Cellar","Looked What the Cat Dragged In", "Dirty Rotten Filthy Stinkin' Rich", "Slave to the Grind", "As Ugly As They Wanna Be", "Mechanical Resonance", "Twice Shy", "Tooth & Nail", "Dr. Feelgood", and "Metal Health" on the list? This Twisted Sister lovin' hack has those albums permantly loaded into his Sony home CD jukebox.
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Post by prozach on Sept 29, 2004 10:54:58 GMT -5
"The Police - Synchronicity That this album is considered a classic is quite a feat for a collection of songs that Keith Richards deemed suitable for a dentist's waiting room. Certainly, no album dealing with topics such as stalking, psychological abuse, betrayal and silent desperation has ever sounded so blankgenized or made less thought-provoking pronouncements. To enjoy Synchronicity is to consider one's self to be socially enlightened without having to dredge up any real empathy.
The Police - Zenyatta Mondatta To paraphrase: "T-Toss-toss-toss, This out-out-out/That's all I have to say to you." Keep Outlandos d'Amour and Regatta de Blanc. Everything else is overwhelmed by the shallow ball of ego that is Sting.
Sting - Ten Summoner's Tales Is anybody else as sick of Sting as I am? I don't understand how someone can go from being totally original, starting out in punk and rock, transitioning to jazz, and then to absolute CRAP pop? What the hell? Next he'll be doing country-western, and I ain't buyin' it."
and gordon sumner goes for the hat trick . . .
(does ANYBODY not hate this guy?)
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Post by troublkepnyerhedup on Sept 29, 2004 11:15:59 GMT -5
"The Police - Synchronicity no album dealing with topics such as stalking, psychological abuse, betrayal and silent desperation has ever sounded so blankgenized or made less thought-provoking pronouncements. At a lecture in the early 80s, Robert Christgau took issue with the opening line from "Spirits in the Material World": "There is no political solution." The thought that that provoked from the Dean of American Rock Critics was that this was highly suspect in view of the fact that one of the Police's dad was some muckety-muck in the European spy world or something. Mats related: uh ... I'm keeping my Mats albums.
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Post by ontheceiling on Sept 29, 2004 14:01:59 GMT -5
The "Dean" also strongly believes that Paul is a washed-up moron (Christgau's word) who has never approached his body of work from the 80's....
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Post by ontheceiling on Sept 29, 2004 14:02:50 GMT -5
Or was it it "idiot"?...something like that.
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Post by FreeRider on Sept 29, 2004 14:51:00 GMT -5
At a lecture in the early 80s, Robert Christgau took issue with the opening line from "Spirits in the Material World": "There is no political solution." The thought that that provoked from the Dean of American Rock Critics was that this was highly suspect in view of the fact that one of the Police's dad was some muckety-muck in the European spy world or something. Mats related: uh ... I'm keeping my Mats albums. Yeah, that was Stewart Copeland's dad. His dad was some sort of CIA spook who served in Europe.... growing up there, that's how Copeland eventually met up with Andy Summers and Sting.
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Post by troublkepnyerhedup on Sept 29, 2004 15:19:17 GMT -5
Thanks ontheceiling. I googled my fingers off and only came up with Sting's dad having been Mark Knopfler's milkman.
Christgau said in something I read that Westerberg just didn't turn out to be interesting enough as a person to sustain the Dean's interest in his music.
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Post by FreeRider on Sept 29, 2004 15:37:03 GMT -5
Thanks ontheceiling. I googled my fingers off and only came up with Sting's dad having been Mark Knopfler's milkman. Christgau said in something I read that Westerberg just didn't turn out to be interesting enough as a person to sustain the Dean's interest in his music. Ouch! That's a harsh criticism, jeez....I think Paul is a far more interesting person/artist in terms of what his thoughts are in regards to music and art, being at the vanguard of the post-punk scene, than most of these "rock stars" out there today.
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Post by paulie on Oct 1, 2004 9:02:04 GMT -5
whats up with all the Sting bashing? to this day i will consider the Syncronicity concert one of the best shows i've ever been to.i loved dream of the blue turtles, nothing like the sun and thought ten sumners tales had alot of great stuff on it also. i know sting is kinda a arrogant jackass but some of those old police classics ( bring on the night, can't stand losing you, born in the fifties, walking on the moon, murder by numbers?!)lets some things slide. back to the 100 albums list. complete crap. some people just like to hear themselves talk. the guy doesn't deserve to hold a pen.
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Post by go21bucs on Oct 1, 2004 15:32:29 GMT -5
true, this writer is an ass. but, some things were amusing.
as for sting-y, I agree that he also is an ass....but the stuff that he did with the police was pretty classic. I can't listen to his solo crap, tho....
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Post by FreeRider on Oct 1, 2004 16:24:20 GMT -5
i never really paid attention to Christgau because most rock critics or "journalists" annoy me.
As for Sting, I liked some of the stuff he did with the Police. but over time, i've found his solo stuff has become increasingly bland and unbearable save for one or two songs here and there. and yeah, I agree: he's also a bit full of himself as well. doesn't mean he isn't talented or anything, i just think he's lost the knack for coming up with interesting melodies.
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