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Post by FreeRider on Jul 19, 2021 21:38:16 GMT -5
So let's say he's done as a performing and recording artist. What is his post performer career then? What does he do now?
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Post by Veets on Jul 20, 2021 19:16:12 GMT -5
I was really hoping that a choice would be: "Does a kickstarter campaign to develop a portable digital media player and music download service for high-resolution audio."
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Post by con on Jul 20, 2021 23:21:22 GMT -5
I bet he writes a “memoir” sooner than later. His little tribute to Alex Chilton published in The New York Times proved to me he can write. I also kindly disagree with the premise—the man will, God or Darren Hill willing, release more music someday. I’d wager he’s now fully employed smoking cigarettes and changing outfits.
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Post by raccoon on Jul 21, 2021 7:51:27 GMT -5
I am 100% with Con. A book of some sort and music shall flow forth.
Note: this does not take the pizza book off the table. The 'Lush & Green' organic THC pie is mind-blowing!
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Post by anarkissed on Jul 21, 2021 13:09:54 GMT -5
I don't think he ever does anything public again, ever...
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Post by Jer on Jul 21, 2021 13:46:39 GMT -5
I don't think he ever does anything public again, ever... I feel the same. Maybe some soundtrack work or the odd song for someone else. But he is consistently unpredictable, so I don't think I'd put money on it.
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Post by FreeRider on Jul 21, 2021 22:48:15 GMT -5
I was just having fun with the Grandpaboy cook book thing and the janitorial services. So, he's made some money from the reunion tour, which Warner Brothers came to take their share. But the boxed set stuff has to have generated some revenue for him, right? And the chunk of change he has from Glen Campbell's covering "Ghost on the Canvas" and "Any Trouble" on Glen's last CD release. I thought Paul said that he didn't see himself writing a book or anything, but times change. People from Keith Richards to Springsteen to Neil Young to Patti Smith have all written books.
I think he's done too---the guy's 61 now? How much effort is he going to put into keeping his small fan base alive and getting out there to perform for such a small fan base? His performing days are done unless it's like a one off thing.
Yet, he is notoriously unpredictable. He could drop a ton of stuff on us tomorrow, or he could stay silent until he has to do something. I think of some interview with Steely Dan where Donald Fagan said they had to go back out on tour. All the royalties started to dry up---declining CD sales, lack of radio airplay, and streaming just doesn't have a royalty rate that pays them anything. So I could see a scenario where Paul would have to get back into music again and write songs for someone else or for another medium: movies or TV series, shows
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Post by twicks1 on Jul 22, 2021 8:33:04 GMT -5
I think music is still being made in the basement. It will come out someday.
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Post by FreeRider on Jul 22, 2021 20:35:34 GMT -5
I think music is still being made in the basement. It will come out someday. I'm sure he's still making music in the basement...I just dunno if it's going to be what we want. He did say in an old interview that some of this stuff is therapy for him. Which is him saying it's not for the fan base. Maybe that's the stuff that gets recorded over? Like "Oompa". Is that the stuff he's working on? Is that what we want? Ok, it's an interesting look at what he can come up with that is not commercial, but it's not on my playlist! soundcloud.com/user-964848511/oompaTo be fair, he did toss us a bone with "Dead Sick Of" and "Come Hither" soundcloud.com/user-964848511/dead-sick-ofsoundcloud.com/user-964848511/come-hither
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Post by Schecky on Jul 24, 2021 21:23:29 GMT -5
Podcast!
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Post by bigbak on Jul 25, 2021 16:28:14 GMT -5
More music is my hope, watching Twins games and smoking two packs a day is most likely the reality
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Post by Jer on Jul 25, 2021 18:57:20 GMT -5
But the boxed set stuff has to have generated some revenue for him, right? Very little, I expect. They weren't pressed or sold in great numbers, and other than publishing and maybe a little something on the side for participating, Sire probably owns most of the product/material. These labels like it when the artists get involved because it lends credibility and attention to the releases, and artists often will, to provide (or deny) the use of material, promote, etc, but it's not a big cash grab when there's only a few thousand pressed. Music industry money these days is in touring, and to a lesser extent, writing for other artists, and selling your publishing. I could see him writing for others, I don't think his publishing would go for a life-changing amount, and I'd be surprised to see him on stage again. But...he is unpredictable, and time has a funny way of changing people's minds.
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Post by FreeRider on Jul 27, 2021 19:41:21 GMT -5
quite honestly, I don't know how these older artists can make money apart from touring. You'd have to think maybe they invested their money well. I mean, it seems like The Who are still going out because they have to make payments on their mansions and vacation homes? Same goes for the Stones---they gotta pay off their accountants, their lawyers and the employees of Rolling Stones Inc, I guess.
But for the smaller artists like Paul? Yeah, I dunno how he survives unless he really got a good chunk of change from the Glen Campbell stuff, and even then, how long does it last him? So I gotta think he'll try and write tunes for someone else.
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Post by twicks1 on Jul 28, 2021 10:52:55 GMT -5
quite honestly, I don't know how these older artists can make money apart from touring. You'd have to think maybe they invested their money well. I mean, it seems like The Who are still going out because they have to make payments on their mansions and vacation homes? Same goes for the Stones---they gotta pay off their accountants, their lawyers and the employees of Rolling Stones Inc, I guess. But for the smaller artists like Paul? Yeah, I dunno how he survives unless he really got a good chunk of change from the Glen Campbell stuff, and even then, how long does it last him? So I gotta think he'll try and write tunes for someone else. Unlike most "rock stars" Paul does not have a lavish lifestyle to maintain. He bought his house with his publishing money back in the '90s, correct? (when he was a millionaire for one day) He doesn't have car payments or pay car insurance. Aside from cigarette money and replacing flat bike tires I'd imagine he can get by on very little.
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Post by Veets on Jul 28, 2021 16:56:06 GMT -5
I think he's done too---the guy's 61 now? How much effort is he going to put into keeping his small fan base alive and getting out there to perform for such a small fan base? His performing days are done unless it's like a one off thing. If it's a one off-thing, he'll have to put the whole "now I must whore myself" on one t-shirt.
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Post by FreeRider on Jul 28, 2021 20:52:54 GMT -5
twicks1, good point! Paul is definitely not living beyond his means. He's got no fancy fleet of sports cars and vacation homes on the south of France and in Hawaii, etc, like all those big rock stars do.
I did a quick search on Glen Campbell's sales for Ghost on The Canvas but couldn't find anything definitive on it. But I did see some article where after Glen's death, his sales spiked incredibly high for his old stuff. Not sure about his streaming revenue, but if Ghost on the Canvas was a part of it, Paul really could've had a decent windfall of cash coming in: publishing royalties, the actual digital streams, and most importantly the mechanical royalties of CD sales and the digital download sales. I think Ghost on the Canvas CD peaked at #6 on the Billboard Country charts.
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Post by jetaspirin on Jul 28, 2021 22:00:29 GMT -5
Paul probably didn't make too much off the Glen Campbell songs. He did probably make money off of the Open Season soundtrack, the Friends and Singles soundtracks and a bunch of others that he was on, like Tank Girl. But some of those royalties are waning. Friends still rakes in big bucks, and I still hear his songs in the background at one of the party scenes. So he's still probably collecting something there. There are other songs licensed out. But also the longer time goes on, the more these are in the rearview mirror. I'm sure that productive burst he had between 2015-2018 probably gave him enough to play hermit for a decade. We shall see if he gets bored or gets coaxed out by some of his friends to actually do something other than sit around the house get high a watchin' tube...and running down to the basement to record some ideas. But songwriting is tough, it's probably tough to find inspiration, and tough to be motivated to finish ideas when you've been doing it for as long as Westerberg's been at it. But man, I hope he writes some more amazing songs. Even his half-assed efforts have yielded some fun stuff.
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Post by anarkissed on Jul 29, 2021 13:55:01 GMT -5
But also the longer time goes on The longer time goes on, the less money he needs to set aside for the future...
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Post by FreeRider on Jul 29, 2021 14:41:22 GMT -5
Paul probably didn't make too much off the Glen Campbell songs. I dunno. Having your songs on a CD that peaked in the top 10 of the Billboard Country charts is not chump change, especially since the Mats never charted that high! From what I understand, the big money is in the publishing. He gets money for the performance royalties, if radio or streaming played Glen doing "Ghost" or "Any Trouble" , and then the mechanical royalties (the actual physical product, CD and digital download sales). If Campbell's "Ghost on The Canvas" went gold, that's a pretty good paycheck for Paul. And "Ghost" is Campbell's CD title track, so probably got decent airplay. Not bad for Paul, if you ask me! And that is how I see Paul's post performing career going---he writes tunes for other people or for movies. And true, his stuff gets licensed for stuff that gives him and the Mats a paycheck. Most recently was the movie the New Mutants, where they used Bastards of Young in one scene. I was just surfing thru channels and came across it. So every time that airs on TV, Paul and the Mats get a cut.
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Post by jetaspirin on Jul 30, 2021 19:24:05 GMT -5
Glen Campbell’s Ghost On The Canvas re-entered the chart with 3,000 sold and now has 65,000 sold since debuting last fall. (this was from an article published in 2012),this 6 months after it's release. Let's say it doubled to 130,000, and let's say those mechanical royalties are 10 cents each, Westerberg walks away with $26K. Not very much. Let's even say the album in the last decade has gone gold, then he'd get roughly $100K, and maybe the airplay royalties would net him some more money, but really not a lot. It's a lot for 2 songs, but I'm sure the dvd sales for Open Season netted him a lot more and the netflix or disney+ streaming nets him a lot more royalties. Glen Campbell's goodbye, was a ghost on the canvas...great for a indie record, probably not so great for a major label and nowhere near Rhinestone Cowboy days...the number of streams on spotify for Ghost on the Canvas pails in comparison to Rhinestone Cowboy or Wichita Lineman. And even if Westerberg did pocket all the spotify money for those 2 songs, it wouldn't be much.
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