Jer
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Post by Jer on Jun 20, 2020 10:40:45 GMT -5
We've had threads about this song before, but I can't remember if we got this deep. Someone posted the video on Facebook last week and I got to thinking as I watched.
Seems to me it was his most calculated, and probably his best chance at a bonafide hit. It's got the chorus hook, the glossy production, and the stereotypical 90s video - his (possibly unintentional) response to Soul Asylum's "Runaway Train" a couple years earlier. Seems like he went all in on the "how to get a hit" record industry playbook of the day, including a stylist, but came up short, as always.
As a song I think pretty great - the feel suited him very well at that time, doesn't feel forced at all, and the vocal is really strong. But I hate the lyrics. They're cliche and predictable, again recalling "Runaway Train," Far from his best and some of the weakest on that record.
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Post by anarkissed on Jun 20, 2020 14:30:43 GMT -5
I've always liked this song, but I did sometimes cringe at some of the lyrics - kinda corny. A much better take on this style was "First Glimmer"...
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Post by raccoon on Jun 20, 2020 18:37:59 GMT -5
Jer nailed it. Fine song with no edge. Accessible to non-fanatics because it is easy on the ears. Acceptable to us but lacking that lyrical element we expect. I don't skip it but don't seek it out. Best two songs on the record, though, are 'These are the Days' and 'Century' IMO. I never grow tired of those two.
First Glimmer is a good comp and has more meat on the bones.
How did I never see this video?
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Post by FreeRider on Jun 20, 2020 21:00:41 GMT -5
Jer, good observations there. It sure did seem like he and the label were going to push this tune and get a hit out of it.
interesting that Paul said it was partly inspired from The Band's lyrics (wish I could find the interview) to "It Makes No Difference"
now there's no love as true
as the love that dies untold
True, the lyrics aren't his best, but I liked it and the kind of poignancy of not connecting. I remember him saying something about how he doesn't care if the fans didn't like hearing it on the "Folker" tour (I think?), that he liked it and was gonna play it. Again, wish I could cite the source for it. I guess there are some songs that are meaningful to him and carries a lot of weight with him. I also recall he said that a song like "Let The Bad Times Roll" was his 'new' "Achin' To Be" and that it would be a song he would still play ten years later.
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Jer
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Post by Jer on Jun 21, 2020 18:21:49 GMT -5
...Best two songs on the record, though, are 'These are the Days' and 'Century' IMO. I like that record quite a bit. It's up there with Stereo/Mono for me as far as his post-mats work goes. I can do without "Love Untold," "You've Had it With You," and "Trumpet Clip" but I don't skip them. "Once Around The Weekend, "MamaDaddyDid" - stuff like that - just seemed like exactly how he was feeling at the time. Stylistically not my preference totally, but it just felt very natural and sincere, where "Love Untold" felt like he was reaching for a hit and "You've Had It With You" was the token rocker to appease the old fans and felt forced. "Trumpet Clip" reminds me of some of the funny stuff the mats would try - but I don't think it quite succeeded 10 years later. And I like those first 2 songs a lot too.
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Post by holeinthedrapes on Jun 21, 2020 19:16:54 GMT -5
I love the song. It’s a poignant story told in a bit of a cutesy way. Not everything has to strike at my core for me to love it, though this song certainly hits on some things from my younger days.
I think Once Around the Weekend hits right where he was probably at when he made the record. Simple little song, but I love it.
If I’m not mistaken, isn’t Tommy on Trumpet Clip?
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Post by FreeRider on Jun 23, 2020 18:41:47 GMT -5
yeah, I think Tommy is playing trombone or something on Trumpet Clip, I thought.
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Post by thematsarealive on Jun 23, 2020 22:39:38 GMT -5
yeah, I think Tommy is playing trombone or something on Trumpet Clip, I thought. That's right. I think Tommy may have played bass on that one too. To me, this is one of the greatest and most poignant songs to come from PW from this era. I was a teenager when I first heard it and remember how deep and sad of a message it was at that time. With that said, this video is awful and I could not finish watching it. They cut to a completely different scene every 3 seconds. |
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Post by nyc1lkg on Jun 28, 2020 15:57:08 GMT -5
I always go back to this clip of Paul and Tommy (Keene) performing Love Untold with the World's Most Dangerous Band. Paul gives the performance his all, Tommy slays the solo and the WMDB members smile throughout. I think they all liked the song and enjoyed performing it. I think it was a very strong time for Paul for live performances Anyway, it is one of my wife's favorite Paul songs and marks the early stages of our relationship, so I have that ...... and I love the song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSBCYHV2eiw |
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Post by kiddidntfollow on Jul 16, 2020 18:48:29 GMT -5
It may well be about Juliana Hatfield. In her memoir, When I Grow Up, there’s a story about being invited to tour with Paul in 1994. They were supposed to meet for the first time in Denver. Paul threw out his back and canceled the tour before she was due to arrive. When I read it, Love Untold immediately came to mind.
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Post by con on Jul 16, 2020 23:31:11 GMT -5
Interesting! And welcome aboard  |
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Post by firespirit on Jul 19, 2020 8:35:01 GMT -5
It may well be about Juliana Hatfield. In her memoir, When I Grow Up, there’s a story about being invited to tour with Paul in 1994. They were supposed to meet for the first time in Denver. Paul threw out his back and canceled the tour before she was due to arrive. When I read it, Love Untold immediately came to mind. yeah, I had tickets to see Paul with the Juliana Hatfield 3 opening up in Nov 1993. Paul ended up cancelling a few days before the show. I ended up seeing Slim play that weekend at the Club Lingerie in Hollywood. Slim was cracking jokes about Paul's back troubles....lol |
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Post by knockin on Jan 27, 2023 14:46:35 GMT -5
I always go back to this clip of Paul and Tommy (Keene) performing Love Untold with the World's Most Dangerous Band. Paul gives the performance his all, Tommy slays the solo and the WMDB members smile throughout. I think they all liked the song and enjoyed performing it. I think it was a very strong time for Paul for live performances Anyway, it is one of my wife's favorite Paul songs and marks the early stages of our relationship, so I have that ...... and I love the song. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSBCYHV2eiwAnyone have a back-up video of this performance? Went looking for it today, but it's been taken down from youtube.  |
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Post by curmudgeonman on Jan 28, 2023 16:28:48 GMT -5
I'll be that guy; I never really liked the song too much, it is one of my least liked songs on the Eventually album, and there are a number of them. It felt forced, a bit too cliched. I also understand it is one of the Brendan O'Brian songs to make it on the record. My favorites are Century, Once Around the Weekend, and Ain't Got Me. Overall, the album was OK IMO, I liked Suicaine far more. But I loved the Eventually tour he did with Tommy Keene.
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