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Post by thepogo on Jan 15, 2015 16:23:40 GMT -5
I bought a RS special issue edition with Tom Petty. The whole issue is about him and the Heartbreakers. There is as section about the tour where the Mats opened. Sounds like TP was ok with them from the start. Maybe it went sour as the tour went on. There is a picture of Tommy jamming with Campbell & Lynch backstage somewhere.
On their first meeting: Campbell meets the Mats first and goes and gets TP to meet them. Campbell to TP "you gotta meet these guys, they're great. They were telling me how much they like your new song, Running Down The Drain".
Tommy asks TP if he's nervous TP: I'm scarred as shit Tommy: Do you want a beer or something? Several times TP:Nah, that will just open Pandoras Box.
Paul asks about Breakdown, not sure if its serious or if he is messing with TP. Tells TP Breakdown was the first song he ever sang with the Mats but can't hit the high notes. TP: Why don't you do the song tonight so we don't have to
Later in the article TP mentions he met with the Mats and that he likes them and they sound great.
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Post by matsrule on Jan 15, 2015 20:28:22 GMT -5
See that in the market every day. Never thought there might be a mats mention......
Pretty cool though
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Post by someguyiniowa on Jan 15, 2015 21:09:02 GMT -5
i remember when that was in the magazine- summer of '89? i think the replacements got kind of bitter early on about the lack of interest from petty's audience (which just makes me nuts- i would have *loved* to see that double bill) and it probably eventually did sour things between the bands. always thought it was a sign of how much the rock music press just plain *likes* tom petty that no one ever busted his chops for lifting 'rebel without a clue' for what turned out to be one of his bigger songs
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Post by Jer on Jan 16, 2015 6:50:16 GMT -5
I saw that tour when it came through Detroit. The mats came out to a 3/4 empty shed in daylight, and it was one of the best times I saw them. They were spirited and seemed to be having a lot of fun. They covered Happy, did Slim's Love Lost, and had Benmont out for Nightclub Jitters. 3 songs into Petty we left for the parking lot - and I really like Petty a lot. Always have, still do. It was just so boring after the mats. With all the stories of sub-par shows, tour-tensions, and the damage it did to the band, I guess I was lucky to get a good night.
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Post by davpel1 on Jan 16, 2015 10:46:52 GMT -5
I was at the Detroit (Pine Knob) show as well and agree that it was really great. In fact, up until the reunion, the Pine Knob Petty gig was probably my favorite Mats show ever. They were in such a great mood that night, they were loose but still tight (if that makes sense) and the setlist was perfect for an opening slot. My favorite moment was when Paul ran about 35 rows into the audience to dance with his ex-wife during Love Lost.
There is a great tape of that show floating around which I had a little something to do with!
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Post by Jer on Jan 16, 2015 13:51:10 GMT -5
I was at the Detroit (Pine Knob) show as well and agree that it was really great. In fact, up until the reunion, the Pine Knob Petty gig was probably my favorite Mats show ever. They were in such a great mood that night, they were loose but still tight (if that makes sense) and the setlist was perfect for an opening slot. My favorite moment was when Paul ran about 35 rows into the audience to dance with his ex-wife during Love Lost. There is a great tape of that show floating around which I had a little something to do with! Yep - I have that recording. It is great! Paid about $15 for it at Off The Record in Royal Oak not long after the show. It was the DTAS tour, but the set was all PTMM except I'll Be You, Achin' to Be, Love Lost and Happy (if I remember correctly).
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Post by kdennis57 on Jan 16, 2015 14:22:22 GMT -5
Caught this tour at Denver's Fiddler's Green in 1989. The huge open-air shed wasn't even half full when The Replacements went on. My recollection is that they were pretty sloppy, but a few tunes stand out - a bumpy but groovy Take Me Down To The Hospital, Cruella DeVille, Nightclub Jitters and a pounding, where-did-that-come-from Alex Chilton to close the set. We left about ten minutes into Petty - I had seen him as an opening act in 1977 (for The Kinks) and walked away from that show too. He's kinda boring!
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Post by Schecky on Jan 16, 2015 22:47:58 GMT -5
Caught this tour at Denver's Fiddler's Green in 1989. The huge open-air shed wasn't even half full when The Replacements went on. My recollection is that they were pretty sloppy, but a few tunes stand out - a bumpy but groovy Take Me Down To The Hospital, Cruella DeVille, Nightclub Jitters and a pounding, where-did-that-come-from Alex Chilton to close the set. We left about ten minutes into Petty - I had seen him as an opening act in 1977 (for The Kinks) and walked away from that show too. He's kinda boring! When I saw Petty, he had Jackson Brown open for him. Super boring!
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Post by matsrule on Jan 17, 2015 0:44:43 GMT -5
Ok I'll bite
Where can I get a copy of that show???
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Post by hootenanny58 on Jan 20, 2015 4:20:50 GMT -5
I wonder if the quotes from the article were obtained before or after the Mats broke into TP's trailer and made off with his wife's wardrobe.
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Post by anarkissed on Jan 21, 2015 0:07:48 GMT -5
I don't know...I'm sensing the general tone of this thread is the idea that the Mats, and Paul specifically, resented Tom Petty, and thought he was some kinda bloated dinosaur elitist rock star, and that Petty thought they were just snotty kids...Paul was probably in high school when Petty first hit big, and, though I'm sure there was a healthy dose of irrevence towards the guy (they had that for everybody, didn't they?), I imagine Paul still held some measure of respect towards him as an at least occasionally competent songwriter, and I'm sure no one was under the impression that he was responsible for them having to play opening sets to half-empty houses of uninterested Heartbreakers fans (I mean, they could've chosen not to do that at all if it was that bad, and maybe just endured the lawsuits...) For Petty's part, I always had the impression that he at least thought they were interesting characters, a decent band, and really goddamn funny, even if he didn't quite get the whole thing, and didn't go back to the tour bus and listen to "Tim" all night on headphones...Trying to make too much out of what seems to be just one brief random encounter between two different artists with somewhat different sensibilities at one random point in their careers...Interesting, but not necessarily life-changing...I imagine Tom Petty remembers less than half of the bands he's either opened for or headlined over, and I expect it's about the same for the Mats...
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Post by heisenberg on Jan 21, 2015 0:48:00 GMT -5
I've never understood the slightly sneering tone that seems to pop up amongst 'Mats and Paul fans whenever Petty is mentioned. I don't think they're all that different. As a matter of fact, Come Feel Me Tremble feels very Pettyesque to me.
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Post by davpel1 on Jan 21, 2015 11:09:27 GMT -5
Ok I'll bite Where can I get a copy of that show??? The original is still on cassette, probably somewhere in my basement. I'm pretty sure I transferred it to a CD at some point. I'll look when I get a chance.
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Post by FreeRider on Jan 21, 2015 11:37:39 GMT -5
I never thought The Mats resented Petty or anything. I always got the sense it was a bit of resentment at the LABEL for thrusting them into this tour with Petty. And Paul never disliked Tom, so I am not sure some folks are sensing that. I remember Paul saying the tour was just bad because the Mats fans were getting into fights with the Petty fans and playing to folks who aren't even paying attention to the openers. It was never any dislike FOR Tom, from what I recall. As for Mats fan being dismissive of Tom, well, that's another topic. from Kathy's main page, it doesn't sound like they hated Tom: www.paulwesterberg.com/brown.htmQ: You've never done much collaborating - a song with the Goo Goo Dolls, the Joan Jett duet, but not a whole lot more than that. I was wondering if a Tom Petty collaboration might come after you and him did that secret gig in Denver after the Petty/Replacements show there. A: "That was fun! Petty was really digging that. I don't think he's had many chances to go play a tiny little joint like that.'' Q: I missed it - after the main concert I just went home. I thought the show was over. A: "Hey, so did we! We thought we were going home and they pulled up to a bar and voila. But I guess I never really have (collaborated). I've never sought it out. I've had people ask me before, but I've never been interested. I know your next question: Who would I write with? There's not anyone that I'm waiting to give me a call. I saw Michael Penn in a hotel the other day in Atlanta. I've always been a fan of his writing and he also of mine. But sometimes two like-minded people find it tough to write together. You need a ying and a yang. So I guess I'll find myself a highly intelligent person to write with.'' Oh, and he had Benmont Tench playing on Suicaine as well. Doubtful he'd let one of the Heartbreakers record on his own stuff if he really disliked Tom and the band. Also, from our own interview archive thread - paulwesterberg.proboards.com/thread/7060?page=4CP: You cover "These Days" by Jackson Browne on the soundtrack. Still a Jackson fan?
Westerberg: Yeah. I went to see [Tom] Petty, and Jackson was opening. [Backstage] I walked past him and he looked at me and I looked at him, and it was like, "Here's my chance." And I couldn't open my mouth. Couldn't say it. Couldn't wink. Couldn't nothin'. So maybe he'll catch wind of it, though in all honesty, it's the Nico version [of "These Days"] that I heard for years and loved. I've never heard his.
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Post by thepogo on Jan 21, 2015 15:41:45 GMT -5
I just thought it was pretty cool that whoever put this RS issue of TP's career together included the Replacements. The Mats must have made some sort of impact in TP and The Heartbreakers. I'm sure they got along just fine.
I'm sure the media blew the stories up, keeping the Mats legend in tack for their shenanigans. That being said, they were the Replacements, and the road can get boring real fast without having some fun at someone's expense.
The picture of Tommy jamming with Campbell & Lynch leads me to believe they were cool with each other.
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Post by RockNRollGhost on Jan 21, 2015 18:05:23 GMT -5
That double bill was the first concert that I ever saw. It was at the Orange County Speedway in Middletown, NY on 8/18/89. The show has long been widely available on video and is now up on YouTube. First band I ever saw live was the Mats with Paul starting the show with that faux striptease throwing the jackets into the crowd. They looked like they had a pretty good time and I was floored.
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Post by davpel1 on Jan 23, 2015 16:41:21 GMT -5
Was anybody at the Petty/Mats show at the Garden State Arts Center in Jersey? The reason I ask is that I ran into Paul, Tommy and Chris at a hotel in Manhattan the day of the show and things seemed incredibly tense. Nobody looked happy at all (I've told the full story here several times previously).
I'm wondering whether that feeling translated to the concert that evening? I've always wondered about this since the tour has always been described as such a disastrous downer, yet the show in Michigan earlier that summer was so freaking good.
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Post by Jer on Jan 24, 2015 9:06:17 GMT -5
Like their whole career, it seems like the shows from that tour were really hit and miss. The recording of the Dallas show from that tour sounded really rockin to me too. I thought the Middletown show RockNRollGhost mentioned was fairly lackluster and lacked the spirit prevalent in a lot of their best shows I've heard, but I've only seen the video, I wasn't there.
I think it was a really tough time for the band because DTAS didn't have the impact they'd hoped, they were playing the up-and-coming game of opening for giants like Petty in sheds, but the experience wasn't conducive to what made for a great mats show - sold out clubs and theaters, bodies presses against the stage, people singing along to every song - that party atmosphere Paul had referenced in many interviews. It's a far cry from playing to a mostly-empty shed in daylight to a vast majority of uninterested classic rock fans. They worked hard to get to that level, to reach more people, and when they got there it just kinda sucked, and that was a major letdown.
And one thing about the mats is that they were never good at faking it - if they were bored, or pissed, or whatever, they didn't get up there and pretend like they weren't. That is an honest, real way to present your art, and a major reason some of us were attracted to them, but doesn't bode well with corporate rock and roll.
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Post by wiser's deluxe on Feb 9, 2015 3:18:13 GMT -5
from what i gather, the resentment was aimed at the record label for "forcing" the 'mats to tour with Petty in order to "learn" how to be "professionals." sure. given that the 'mats were already touring for nine years at that time, and needed no ... ah screw it, i can't finish this sentence ... petty is better than the 'mats if that's what some here would like to surmise. ... please.
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Post by BronxTeacher on Feb 9, 2015 14:54:17 GMT -5
Slim Dunlap told Patterson Hood that the Heartbreakers were nice guys but that "Tom Petty is a little prick." Hence, spraying his weed with Raid, etc. So it would seem that some of the ire directed at Tom Petty may have indeed originally sprung from the Mats themselves.
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