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Post by evin on Nov 15, 2011 20:28:27 GMT -5
gorman,
email is evinrude 7 hotmail
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Post by FreeRider on Nov 15, 2011 21:55:39 GMT -5
Gorman, I wouldn't take my assumptions or anyone else's too seriously. My comments were just made for the sake of conversation---when there's nothing really new to focus on, I think we tend to talk about a lot of things just to keep the board alive. Which is what i was doing--not an attack upon your integrity or honesty.
I appreciate your efforts in making a movie about a band that is meaningful to a lot of people. And yes, you SHOULD make the film that YOU want to make. That's only natural for anyone serious about doing something creative. As you've said, the art is subjective. Some people will love it, some will think it's just ok, and others will dislike it. But your'e right, the only person you really have to please is yourself. having read enough interviews with Paul, I know that is his view as well when it comes to creative endeavors.
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Post by anarkissed on Nov 15, 2011 22:39:29 GMT -5
Yeah, artistic integrity and true to yourself and independent spirit and all that, but sometimes it irritates me when someone says: "Hey! Check out my [book, movie, album]...What do you think?" And, then, if you don't give them the answer they want, they respond: "Oh, yeah? Well, I don't care what you think...I'm only trying to please myself..."
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Post by colormeobsessed on Nov 15, 2011 22:51:49 GMT -5
Yeah, artistic integrity and true to yourself and independent spirit and all that, but sometimes it irritates me when someone says: "Hey! Check out my [book, movie, album]...What do you think?" And, then, if you don't give them the answer they want, they respond: "Oh, yeah? Well, I don't care what you think...I'm only trying to please myself..." But I was never looking for comments about the film. I never asked "What do you think?" My annoyance was about the wrong assumptions...ONLY. So, once again you're either not reading my posts, or coming up with some meaning that's not there. Or perhaps you just like to argue.
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Post by colormeobsessed on Nov 15, 2011 22:54:20 GMT -5
Gorman, I wouldn't take my assumptions or anyone else's too seriously. My comments were just made for the sake of conversation---when there's nothing really new to focus on, I think we tend to talk about a lot of things just to keep the board alive. Which is what i was doing--not an attack upon your integrity or honesty. I appreciate your efforts in making a movie about a band that is meaningful to a lot of people. And yes, you SHOULD make the film that YOU want to make. That's only natural for anyone serious about doing something creative. As you've said, the art is subjective. Some people will love it, some will think it's just ok, and others will dislike it. But your'e right, the only person you really have to please is yourself. having read enough interviews with Paul, I know that is his view as well when it comes to creative endeavors. Thanks.
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Post by colormeobsessed on Nov 15, 2011 22:55:43 GMT -5
anarkissed said "And I've always found that "I don't care what other people think" tact to be a little defensive..." paul used that one all day long anarkissed. as an artist myself i use it when it rings true. if gorman is on with this sentiment then let it come out in the wash. he'll either burn for it or be exonerated for using it. thanks for the update on TN gorman. i'd say go for belcourt theatre. indy all week long as far as i know. sorry don't have an "in" there but i do have one at the Exit/In. possible spot. would have to check to be sure. We're working on one place now. If that doesn't pan out, we'll try Belcourt. Watch the Facebook page for updates.
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Post by anarkissed on Nov 15, 2011 22:57:52 GMT -5
>>Or perhaps you just like to argue.<< Yeah, that's pretty much it...
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Post by colormeobsessed on Nov 15, 2011 23:09:44 GMT -5
>>Or perhaps you just like to argue.<< Yeah, that's pretty much it... OK, that made me smile!
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Post by damagerocket on Dec 29, 2011 14:15:32 GMT -5
Just a comment on the Popdose interview on the official film site www.whatwerewethinkingfilms.com/colormeobsessed/The interviewer suggests that back in the day in might not be possible for artists to subsist as independents in contrast to today where we have apparatus' like kickstarter. Therefore the 'Mats had to eventually give in to the major label business model. I can think of 2 examples of bands that predate the 'Mats (one of which is still gigging) that have survived soley outside the "system" using a D.I.Y. methodology. They toured a lot, sold a lot of merch (both mail order and at shows), released on credible indies or self released. SNFU who were on BYO, Cargo, Epitaph, etc. toured relentlessly across Canada and the U.S. Also, NoMeansNo, independents who released their first few albums on Alternative Tentacles still record and tour in Canada, the U.S. and have a large following in Europe. Both of these bands have deep roots in the hardcore scene and have played countless all ages shows and club dates via underground touring circuits. The discussion also seem to suggest the 'Mats were ambivalent about signing in the early days and were just having "their own party" or words to that effect. It's really easy to not sign to a major actually, we're all doing it right now. I think that if they really had no interest in pursuing their music as a career we would never have heard of them. I'm sure there was a "guilty-pleasure" in desire for success, otherwise they would be complete unknowns. It's quite easy to fail and never be heard from, where as even a modicum of success takes some serious effort as I'm sure Gorman Bechard knows from film making. That said, I'm stoked to see the film. I regrettably missed it when it came by my area. Hope to see it sometime, thanks for making it GB.
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Post by anarkissed on Dec 29, 2011 20:58:53 GMT -5
I think a large measure of their appeal for me was always that tension between wanting to be taken seriously and given credit for actual artistic achievement (and maybe even making some money while they were at it) and not wanting to be seen as sell-outs or asskissers or making too many compromises, along with a genuine dose of sometimes not giving a fuck...I always thought there was a strain of fear and low self-esteem expressed in some of the shenanigans: it saves some face to look like you screwed up because you were indifferent, or stoned, rather than giving it all you have and still screwing up...I always felt that if they had really ever been just that legendary band that always showed up falling down drunk and mangling abbrieviated cover tunes, the joke would've gotten old pretty fast...Likewise, if they'd never had the sense of humor they did, they might have gotten boring pretty fast...I think the mix was not only just about right, but maybe brilliant...
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Post by FreeRider on Mar 10, 2012 11:39:54 GMT -5
I caught the screening here in DC last nite....not the best venue to show it, the Black Cat nightclub (partially owned by Dave Grohl) but I guess it's hard to book a nice art theater or college campus to show it? I have no idea how that stuff works. Anyway, crowd was maybe a little over 100? 100-120 in attendance?
It was good and I enjoyed it, but I have mixed feelings about it. I'm still sorting out my thoughts about it.
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Post by FreeRider on Mar 12, 2012 10:24:05 GMT -5
I think I liked hearing from the people who were closest to the band, people like other musicians who were influenced by them or were on the same scene as them as performers. Some fan stuff is okay because it counter balances people who knew the band members and gets the average fan a chance to respond, but at times, it did seem like some stuff was a little self indulgent exercise for some fans.
I'm not knocking their responses---I'm sure if someone shoved a camera in my face and asked me what the Mats meant to me, I'd be doing the same!
I dunno....hearing the funny stories and the high praises was fun but at times, the oral history left me wanting more. Namely, the band's perspective about their rise and dissolution, not just the fans and other observers' perspectives. But it's not my documentary and Gorman made the one he wanted to make. And having said that, I still liked the film.
I'm just wondering about the reactions of the non-fans, people who don't know anything about the band, were/are to the band. Did it make them curious to seek out the Mats material? Did they get the same sense of awe, or get how or why people responded to the Mats?
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Post by ih8music on Mar 12, 2012 12:08:26 GMT -5
I'm just wondering about the reactions of the non-fans, people who don't know anything about the band, were/are to the band. Did it make them curious to seek out the Mats material? Did they get the same sense of awe, or get how or why people responded to the Mats? My wife, who's certainly aware of the band through me but is most definitely not a fan, thought the doc was ok/good. She certainly didn't like it as much as I did -- she could have cared less for the behind-the-scenes stuff or what the critics had to say about the band... she was amused at most of the fans' reactions, though. Especially the guy who compared them to breathing (or something way out there like that).
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Post by FreeRider on Mar 12, 2012 14:26:42 GMT -5
hey, thanks for sharing that. that's kind of funny your wife was more interested in the fans' passion. That's cool but up to a point for me. I guess I was more interested in the historical stuff from the people behind the scenes and giving us the background on certain events (even if we already knew the stories).
I think it's hard for someone who's never heard of them to want to sit down for 2 hours and watch this documentary. At least your wife knew of them. I don't know if other fans have high praise for it because the doc validates for them what they knew all along to be true or what. Me? I gave up a long time ago worrying about validation and what other peope think about my tastes.
So I'm still curious if the doc has made any new fans. Thing is, this doc isn't necessarily for the uninitiated, IMO. It seems as if the audience for this doc is for the fan base, not a general audience. Yet, I can see where Gorman was trying to achieve that sense of being intrigued in those who are uninitiated, a general audience, about the Mats. I don't know how successful that was.
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Post by TomT on Mar 12, 2012 18:45:18 GMT -5
It's time for the DVD to come out no?
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Post by colormeobsessed on Mar 17, 2012 11:27:01 GMT -5
DVD this summer. We're waiting on a date from a kickass screening that we can't announce yet.
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Post by thepogo on Aug 21, 2012 17:15:34 GMT -5
Has this thing been released yet? Im in San Antonio Tx. I would like to own a copy. How do i get one? Then I can come on here and rant about what I liked about it.
I think its a badass concept. Interview everyone BUT the band. Absolute Replacementesq.
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Post by TomT on Aug 21, 2012 17:50:56 GMT -5
Christmas release perhaps? This dvd would be a nice "pick me up" for the fall.
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Post by colormeobsessed on Sept 28, 2012 7:55:31 GMT -5
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Post by 4x8 on Oct 3, 2012 16:32:21 GMT -5
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