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Post by Kathy on Oct 2, 2007 9:08:40 GMT -5
Check up the Captains Dead blog for MP3s of the entire Craft Show. Will be interested to see what everyone thinks of this version of WCF, I listened again and man, it's fantastic.
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Post by scoOter on Oct 2, 2007 11:06:23 GMT -5
it is as good as i remember it!
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Post by WestyTarheel on Oct 3, 2007 20:24:59 GMT -5
I have to say that whoever runs that site is a piece of work. I took the time and effort to record this show in the best possible format and cared enough about my fellow fans to share this show and this guy goes and converts everything to mp3 which sacrifices the quality, now people will have this crappy copy and possibly trade it out which will put inferior copies out there. This is why I don't like to share stuff I record. I still have about six shows from the 2005 tour that I have not sent out to anyone but a few friends who agreed to not trade them because of this very fact.
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Post by A Regular on Oct 3, 2007 21:10:00 GMT -5
I have to say that whoever runs that site is a piece of work. I took the time and effort to record this show in the best possible format and cared enough about my fellow fans to share this show and this guy goes and converts everything to mp3 which sacrifices the quality, now people will have this crappy copy and possibly trade it out which will put inferior copies out there. This is why I don't like to share stuff I record. I still have about six shows from the 2005 tour that I have not sent out to anyone but a few friends who agreed to not trade them because of this very fact. New Orleans or Memphis wouldn't be one of those shows, and if so, can I be your friend?
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Post by WestyTarheel on Oct 3, 2007 21:19:22 GMT -5
A Regular, I am pretty sure you got everything I recorded from your Cincy buddy that I roomed with at the Marquette for the Craft show.
On another note, I passed e-mails with the guy at that Captain's Dead blog and he has removed the files.
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Post by timtoast on Oct 4, 2007 18:12:28 GMT -5
A Regular, I am pretty sure you got everything I recorded from your Cincy buddy that I roomed with at the Marquette for the Craft show. On another note, I passed e-mails with the guy at that Captain's Dead blog and he has removed the files. Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm confused: You say you don't like to share shows AND you got the guy that posts them for others (poor quality or not) to take them down? Doesn't that result in more losers than winners?
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Post by adamapple on Oct 4, 2007 20:26:40 GMT -5
i have to agree...you're pissed at the guy for processing songs to MP3's..?...to make it easier to share, and you weren't going to share them with everyone anyway..what's the issue here....how does it do any harm having more copies out there?...sems like a silly thing to get worked up over. i, for one, was glad the entire show was posted.
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Post by Kathy on Oct 4, 2007 20:58:31 GMT -5
I really want to nip this in the bud because this topic tends to get really nasty, really quickly and I speak from experience on this.
Position A: The taper of the show, in this case Westy, wants to share the show he recorded *only* in lossless format, either through a torrent or through cd trading. The thought process being, if the show is converted into MP3s and made available in that format for easier downloading, it's possible that copies of the show from the inferior MP3 source will start to get traded and pollute the trading pool.
Position B: Many people don't see enough of a difference in quality between the lossless formats and MP3s, and feel the ease of the MP3 format more than makes up for any loss of quality. They don't understand why it's not possible for people who want the lossless quality to get the show off DIME or through weeding and people who want MP3s to get them via downloading.
So it's not a case of the trader not wanting to share, it's a case of the trader wanting to share in a specified format to protect the quality of the taping.
And for the potential listeners, it's not a case of not caring about all the work that the taper did, it's a case of not understanding why a show can't be distributed both ways (lossless for top quality and MP3 for ease). They don't see the harm in making it as easy as possible for most people to get the show.
Accusing Westy of not wanting to share is not accurate -- he is sharing the show, he just wants to be able to determine how it will be shared. And on the flip side, the vast majority of people (like the guy from captains dead) don't make MP3s maliciously, they do it to be helpful and share the show.
I understand that people may disagree with Westy's position on this. I don't see things the way he does either, but he's entitled to his opinion and I think it should be respected. People on the board have made very generous offers to weed out the show on CD, so if you're not able/willing to get the show via DIME, get in on one of the weeds.
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Post by WestyTarheel on Oct 4, 2007 21:31:07 GMT -5
i have to agree...you're pissed at the guy for processing songs to MP3's..?...to make it easier to share, and you weren't going to share them with everyone anyway..what's the issue here....how does it do any harm having more copies out there?...sems like a silly thing to get worked up over. i, for one, was glad the entire show was posted. The issue is the person that discovers Westerberg in a year and trades for a copy of this show to get a copy from the crappy .mp3 source because some people can't tell a difference. If you can't tell a difference between an mp3 and flac or wav quality, then I am sorry, but the difference is huge. Those of us that tape these shows to get them out there pride ourselves on getting the best possible quality out there that we can, the network that are setup for sharing these shows prohibit the sharing of the inferior quality. It is not that difficult to learn how to download from DAD or other bittorrent sites and it is not that hard to get someone to burn you a disc and send it to you. Sorry if you don't like my opinion, but that is the way it is with me.
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Post by adamapple on Oct 5, 2007 15:42:34 GMT -5
it's not that i dont get the difference between the foramts, i just dont see what there is to get all worked up over, if you want to work at getting the quality level recording you'll get it, for somonee to put up MP3's, seems to be harmless...anyway...this horse has been beaten dead and good
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Post by hudson99 on Oct 5, 2007 18:27:39 GMT -5
This is an ongoing fight in the trading/torrent community, and it has become the general "rule" that those who d/l lossless files will not distribute MP3 versions. There is a difference in sound quality, especially as they're distributed to others.
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Post by WsBigBrownBeaver on Oct 10, 2007 0:51:19 GMT -5
Sorry folks, but "12:00" is still blinking on my Betamax as I still haven't figured out how to set the clock.
I don't have a clue what a bit-torrent is and don't intend to learn. Most Replacement fans are probably around the same age as me where you start to loose track of the latest technology and don't care to learn.
Can I just get a copy of the show on Vinyl? or MP3 if I sign the pre-nup not to re-distribute?
All I really want is to hear what the big deal is about this World Class Fad version.
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