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Post by kgp on Oct 11, 2004 20:06:47 GMT -5
"Pine Box" was just out and no one had transcribed the lyrics yet, so I was giving it a whack. No, I don't think he was referencing a Japanese author, but the man does read, so I thought it was a (distant) possibility. Until someone else said it was Iwo Jima, I was really stumped. Didn't Dylan steal some of his lyrics from some obscure Japanese writer?
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Post by grandpaboysfriend on Oct 11, 2004 22:00:48 GMT -5
Then there are those soccer teams called Ajax. there's only one soccer team called ajax that i'm aware of and it's pronounced with a silent "j". i think the ajax is a reference to crap drugs. recalling the mats' days, he once said they could have been snorting ajax half the time, for all they knew.
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Post by A Regular on Oct 11, 2004 22:15:14 GMT -5
there's only one soccer team called ajax that i'm aware of and it's pronounced with a silent "j". i think the ajax is a reference to crap drugs. recalling the mats' days, he once said they could have been snorting ajax half the time, for all they knew. So the line is actually "bein' on ajax" That's what I heard this afternoon too.
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Post by troublkepnyerhedup on Oct 12, 2004 0:42:33 GMT -5
So the line is actually "bein' on ajax" That's what I heard this afternoon too. OK, I fold. That's the first logical definition of Ajax yet. My only reservation is it's a bit of an odd way to put it: "she's bein' on Ajax." She's BEEN on Ajax? Now what do we do with the "former whore"? Maybe she really is a horse after all ... get it: horse? On to a different topic: Is "cocksure" related to cocking a gun? So far, google says no: The origin of the term cocksure is unsettled. One group believes it comes from the French (old) “caech” that has the same meaning. Another school of thought believes it is related to the rooster. The word “cochen” was first recorded around 1150, as a verb meaning to fight. By 1575 the meaning changed to “swagger” and later it meant, “to sit in a jaunty way.” This meaning was applied to the mind and first appeared around 1821. Five years later it was being used to refer to anything silly or foolish.
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Post by adamapple on Oct 12, 2004 18:59:13 GMT -5
wow, researchers abound, as far as i can figure or know cocksure, is similar to cocky...showing confindence, etc...thats my take
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Post by A Regular on Mar 17, 2005 12:28:41 GMT -5
It's definitely not "horseshit." He says "former whore" for sure. But why is she peeing on Ajax? Is that some kind of Hints from Heloise home pregnancy test? And she's peeing from a dormitory? I need help making sense of this. Bingo, according to the author. Well, someone had to ask him!
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Post by Cotton on Mar 17, 2005 17:20:17 GMT -5
rehashing the Gunshy lyrics:
ok... (composing thoughts) crystal meth in powder form is often referred to as "P". Ajax is sometimes used to cut the powder. P-ing on Ajax.
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Post by Kathy on Mar 18, 2005 12:19:30 GMT -5
rehashing the Gunshy lyrics: ok... (composing thoughts) crystal meth in powder form is often referred to as "P". Ajax is sometimes used to cut the powder. P-ing on Ajax. see above - Mr A Reg asked Paul directly in New Orleans and confirmed it is indeed "a former whore's peeing on Ajax" go figure.
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Post by Cotton on Mar 18, 2005 14:13:11 GMT -5
Gotta sun-block and a hard rock, I need to relax From a dormitory, a former whore she's "P"- ing on ajax
Chasin' middle age, and we're pacin' in our cage tonight
She's a little gun shy Gun shy Gun shy
I'd rather tell it like it ain't when the morning starts to faint and fade
-- gonna have to ask A REG... urinating? or just peeing? seems to me like the entire verse is chock full of meth references.
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Post by zook on Mar 18, 2005 14:47:02 GMT -5
Gotta sun-block and a hard rock, I need to relax From a dormitory, a former whore she's "P"- ing on ajax Chasin' middle age, and we're pacin' in our cage tonight She's a little gun shy Gun shy Gun shy I'd rather tell it like it ain't when the morning starts to faint and fade -- gonna have to ask A REG... urinating? or just peeing? seems to me like the entire verse is chock full of meth references. Come to think of it, Paul's bus was set up like a meth lab... ;D
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Post by A Regular on Mar 18, 2005 16:05:44 GMT -5
-- gonna have to ask A REG... urinating? or just peeing? seems to me like the entire verse is chock full of meth references. Peeing. When I grinned with my typically puzzled face he explained that this was an old style pregnancy test (meaning you pee on ajax and look for a chemical reaction I supposed), and I grinned further recalling in my mind that someone guessed that was the point on an earlier thread. No mention of meth, or any other illicit drug.
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Post by Cotton on Mar 18, 2005 20:00:35 GMT -5
Preface: A Reg. I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. I think it’s funny as hell that you asked PW about this. Gun Shy discussion- A Reg.: “Peeing. When I grinned with my typically puzzled face he explained that this was an old style pregnancy test (meaning you pee on Ajax and look for a chemical reaction I supposed), and I grinned further recalling in my mind that someone guessed that was the point on an earlier thread. No mention of meth, or any other illicit drug.” Was there a grin or twinkle in his eye when you were talking to him? I wonder if he quickly recollected a conversation with someone who does read/participate on this board - recalled chuckling about troublkepnyerhedup’s 9/14 post- “But why is she peeing on Ajax? Is that some kind of Hints from Heloise home pregnancy test? And she's peeing from a dormitory?” Gun Shy lyrics in discussion: Chasin' middle age, I'm pacin' in my cage tonight Gotta sun-block and a hard rock, I need to relax From a dormitory, a former whore she’s peeing (P-ing, I says) on ajax Chasin' middle age, and we're pacin' in our cage tonight She's a little gun shy Gun shy Gun shy I'd rather tell it like it ain't when the morning starts to faint and fade Cock sure! Gun-shy by definition: adj. 1 Afraid of loud noise, such as that of gunfire. 2. Extremely distrustful or wary. Gotta - sun-block = indoors hard rock = I need to relax Details from line 1 From a - Dormitory = a room providing sleeping quarters for a number of persons. A former whore = umm. she’s P-ing on ajax = crystal meth. www.amped4life.net.nz/p.htm Of course this is just my interpretation of this, but it seems to make more sense than literally peeing on some Ajax to see if your pregnant. If I could’ve found any other pee/preg test reference, I wouldn’t be posting this. If anyone knows of any, let me know. A Reg., I’m sure PW said what he said to you, and like I said, no disrespect meant to a fellow ‘mats fan. I just think the Gun Shy line “I'd rather tell it like it ain't when the morning starts to faint and fade” seems to fit. truncated - 3/18 10:10ish
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Post by A Regular on Mar 18, 2005 21:56:30 GMT -5
He may have been jerking me around, though I took him at his word, and he did answer without hesitation, but I'll never know if it was based on an earlier talk with someone that may have read something here. If he was jerking me around, congrats to PW for keeping the straight face. I just did a little google research, and I did find that there is an old wive's tale regarding Drano and Urine... one tale that it detects pregnancy, the other that it detects the sex of the baby. I could see an easy blurring of those tales. And now I've spent too much time thinking about it PS. I've thanked him whenever I've spoken with PW, usually due to a song performed at the show that I really liked. Re. asking him about lyrics I thought, what the hell, the worst he could was tell me to figure it out myself, like I'd expect him to do when asked about guitar chords. And I don't see why one would make a point of NOT speaking to someone who's work you respect and admire as most do on here.
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Post by justlikemartinsaid on Mar 24, 2005 22:20:07 GMT -5
I thought he sings "baby in a book" rather than "lay me in a book", referring to baby albums. When I take my 5 year-old daughter to school each morning, she always wants to hear Folker and specifically her favorite song, which is called, in her words, "I'm a Rock Star and I'm Shy". I have to turn the sound down for a second or cough really loud at the end to cover the f-bomb.
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Post by Cotton on Apr 24, 2005 14:49:13 GMT -5
Hello Columbus!
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Post by A Regular on Apr 24, 2005 18:08:56 GMT -5
Actually, I think its called Good Bye Columbus, required reading for everyone in Freshmen Lit.
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Post by headlightbeams on Apr 29, 2006 22:46:52 GMT -5
I always wondered where the "fruit jar" line in "Gun Shy" came from. Check the lyrics to Hank Williams' "Jambalaya." Not only does it have a fruit jar, it has a gun! Not sure if the Mats ever played it, but Slim has. --- Jambalaya by Hank Williams goodbye joe, me gotta go, me oh my oh Me gotta go pole the pirogue down the bayou My yvonne, the sweetest one, me oh my oh Son of a gun, we’ll have good fun on the bayou Chorus: jambalaya, a-crawfish pie and-a file gumbo ’cause tonight I’m gonna see my machez a mio Pick guitar, fill fruit jar and be gay-oh Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the bayou. instrumental verse (country fiddle solo) thibodeaux, fontainbleau, the place is buzzin’ Kinfolk come to see yvonne by the dozen Dress in style, go hog wild, me oh my oh Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the [d]bayou.
Repeat chorus
instrumental verse (country fiddle solo)
Final chorus: jambalaya, a-crawfish pie and-a fillet gumbo ’cause tonight I’m gonna see my machez a mio Pick guitar, fill fruit jar and be gay-oh Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the bayou. Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the bayou. Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the bayou.
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Post by headlightbeams on Aug 3, 2006 23:48:57 GMT -5
So now that we know where "fruit jar" came from (PW couldn't have just, like, thought of it) ... Here's where he got "pacing in my cage." "Pacing the Cage" by Bruce Cockburn (rhymes with cocksure!) from his 1996 album "The Charity of Night," also on his 2002 greatest hits CD, "Anything, Anytime, Anywhere" (AAA, anybody?): Sunset is an angel weeping Holding out a bloody sword No matter how I squint I cannot Make out what it's pointing toward Sometimes you feel like you live too long Days drip slowly on the page You catch yourself Pacing the cage I've proven who I am so many times The magnetic strip's worn thin And each time I was someone else And every one was taken in Powers chatter in high places Stir up eddies in the dust of rage Set me to pacing the cage I never knew what you all wanted So I gave you everything All that I could pillage All the spells that I could sing It's as if the thing were written In the constitution of the age Sooner or later you'll wind up Pacing the cage Sometimes the best map will not guide you You can't see what's round the bend Sometimes the road leads through dark places Sometimes the darkness is your friend Today these eyes scan bleached-out land For the coming of the outbound stage Pacing the cage Pacing the cage ---- Jimmy Buffet has a cover version of "Pacing the Cage" on his 2004 album, Licensed to Chill: That album cover reminds me of something ... Anyway, you got yer "bleached-out" in Cockburn's and yer "Ajax" in PW's "Sometimes you feel like you live too long" in Cockburn's, "chasin' middle age" in PW's "pillage" in Cockburn's, "pillage" in PW's other song and Cockburn is a real Canadian folk star, just like Gordon Lightfoot, who PW wants on his gravestone
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Post by Strange and Grandiose on Aug 5, 2006 20:02:34 GMT -5
I always wondered where the "fruit jar" line in "Gun Shy" came from. Check the lyrics to Hank Williams' "Jambalaya." Not only does it have a fruit jar, it has a gun! Not sure if the Mats ever played it, but Slim has. --- Jambalaya by Hank Williams goodbye joe, me gotta go, me oh my oh Me gotta go pole the pirogue down the bayou My yvonne, the sweetest one, me oh my oh Son of a gun, we’ll have good fun on the bayou Chorus: jambalaya, a-crawfish pie and-a file gumbo ’cause tonight I’m gonna see my machez a mio Pick guitar, fill fruit jar and be gay-oh Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the bayou. instrumental verse (country fiddle solo) thibodeaux, fontainbleau, the place is buzzin’ Kinfolk come to see yvonne by the dozen Dress in style, go hog wild, me oh my oh Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the [d]bayou.
Repeat chorus
instrumental verse (country fiddle solo)
Final chorus: jambalaya, a-crawfish pie and-a fillet gumbo ’cause tonight I’m gonna see my machez a mio Pick guitar, fill fruit jar and be gay-oh Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the bayou. Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the bayou. Son of a gun, we’ll have big fun on the bayou.
Another possibility: Blue Suede Shoes by Carl Perkins Well, it's one for the money, Two for the show, Three to get ready, Now go, cat, go. But don't you step on my blue suede shoes. You can do anything but lay off of my Blue suede shoes. Well, you can knock me down, Step in my face, Slander my name All over the place. Do anything that you want to do, but uh-uh, Honey, lay off of my shoes Don't you step on my Blue suede shoes. You can do anything but lay off of my blue suede shoes. You can burn my house, Steal my car, Drink my liquor From an old fruit jar. Do anything that you want to do, but uh-uh, Honey, lay off of my shoes Don't you step on my blue suede shoes. You can do anything but lay off of my blue suede shoes.
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Post by highlonesome on Feb 20, 2009 3:00:37 GMT -5
I could be wrong but Im pretty sure theres a footjob in there somewhere too [that kinky m-f!]
Jack Rabbit, Boxcar, Footjob, Fuck You.
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