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Post by elgoodo on Feb 2, 2004 10:31:31 GMT -5
I thought you didn't read RS....
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Post by Elizabeth on Feb 2, 2004 10:37:21 GMT -5
it was there, and I read it. but i have little to no respect for that magazine.
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Post by scoOter on Feb 2, 2004 11:07:58 GMT -5
regardless of how i feel about rem (like 'em), nikki sixx deserves a pat on the back.
they ought to recruit him for all record reviews.
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RickVee
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Post by RickVee on Feb 2, 2004 14:27:25 GMT -5
I've loved STEREO/MONO and CFMT but the one thing that frustrates me is the drumming. I'd give anything to have had Chris Mars play on MONO or CFMT. I'll never be ready for "overproduction" but I am ready for an actual drummer and a bass player to work with Paul after FOLKER (especially a drummer!).
And based on the track on the Starbucks compliation, as well as "Outta My System" from the Jimmy Fund benefit album, FOLKER may be a tad bit more polished than the recent basement releases. And a tad bit is all that's needed.
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Post by scoOter on Feb 3, 2004 15:39:25 GMT -5
I've loved STEREO/MONO and CFMT but the one thing that frustrates me is the drumming. I'd give anything to have had Chris Mars play on MONO or CFMT. I'll never be ready for "overproduction" but I am ready for an actual drummer and a bass player to work with Paul after FOLKER (especially a drummer!). And based on the track on the Starbucks compliation, as well as "Outta My System" from the Jimmy Fund benefit album, FOLKER may be a tad bit more polished than the recent basement releases. And a tad bit is all that's needed. i kin dig it.
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Post by landshark on Feb 3, 2004 20:03:24 GMT -5
Yeah, the Noho show pops up a couple of times on the DVD. Think all the footage is in B&W. But, I can't remember if it ever covers an entire song or just bits. Think is all B&W -- I think that night is when you see him ducttaping spats, and then there's a long "tracking" shot of him walking across street into Pearl Street then taking the back way up. Cool version of "Can't Hardly Wait" made it into the DVD. Tried to freeze frame to see if I could see meself and me wife, but no .15 seconds of celebrity for me, alas. My one complaint from that show was no "Crackle & Drag" -- Sylvia Plath went to college in Northampton, would have been an obscure connection, but oh well, can't have everything
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Post by HillBillyJunk on Feb 8, 2004 21:31:10 GMT -5
paul westerbegs voice isnt the same now as it was on 14 songs etc...because that was many years ago! peopls voices change, hes getting older etc...
the underproduced, or whatever you want to call it....sounds much better than overproduced. 14 songs, eventually suicaine...all had some great songs on there but as albusm they dont hold up...come feel me trembnle, mono stereo...are great songs all the way through, and are great albums...
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Post by ClamsCasino on Feb 8, 2004 22:37:47 GMT -5
paul westerbegs voice isnt the same now as it was on 14 songs etc...because that was many years ago! peopls voices change, hes getting older etc ... I know. All I'm saying is that I'm not happy about it. "Hear my engines whiiiiine..." the underproduced, or whatever you want to call it....sounds much better than overproduced. 14 songs, eventually suicaine...all had some great songs on there but as albusm they dont hold up...come feel me trembnle, mono stereo...are great songs all the way through, and are great albums... I wouldn't call any of Paul's albums overproduced. Most of Don't Tell A Soul was overproduced. Thankfully his solo albums haven't even approached that level of gloss.
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Post by HillBillyJunk on Feb 9, 2004 11:21:48 GMT -5
well i wouldnt say they were overproduced by industry standards. But i dont really like the overall feel of the albums anymore. at first they are great, and have some of my favorite songs..world class fad being my favorite probably...
but it just doesnt have that feel i enjoy. whereas his latest work def does. sounds forced, and i dont know..the songs just arent as interesting...except for a few gems for sure.
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Post by kgp on Feb 9, 2004 19:27:48 GMT -5
I'd pick an "honest mess" over some glossy million-dollar studio masterpiece. But I'm wondering how long before it starts to wear thin? I loved it with Stereo/Mono but it's a little less charming with CFMT. Don't get me wrong, I still like the album, but doesn't he need another opinion sometime? Right now there's no one telling him, "no". I don't know what a happy medium would be. I thought Suicane had a nice touch, not too overproduced, not as lo-fi as the current ones.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Feb 9, 2004 22:13:56 GMT -5
I think maybe the happy medium could be achieved if he just started playing with other musicians. I'd love for him to stick with the same raw recording style, but invite two or three more guys into the basement with him. To paraphrase Peter Jesperson, four albums of Paul's terrible drumming does get a little tiresome.
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Post by HillBillyJunk on Feb 10, 2004 14:52:07 GMT -5
ya thats wha ti think too. hearing hte same drum pattern throughout all four discs is a little much, but i am starting ot get used to it...and i do really liek come feel me...more thatn stereo right now....not sure why, well i know why but...
didnt paul say that "yes there were some parts i wasnt able to play" so im thinking he probably did have some help on the past few albums...
he def does need to change it up, i wonder how folker will be...i mugessing a happy medium will be brought to the table...just have to keepthings fresh....
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Post by torethatbridgeout on Feb 10, 2004 16:08:31 GMT -5
i wonder how folker will be...i mugessing a happy medium will be brought to the table...just have to keepthings fresh.... Has there been any sign that Folker is not more basement tapes? (I lost my Starbucks disc, and I can't recall the production on "Lookin up in Heaven")
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Post by A Regular on Feb 10, 2004 16:43:21 GMT -5
I thought the production of "heaven" was pretty good, though I'm no audiophile. My ears had it pegged between the recent stuff and 90s material, though slightly closer to the recent stuff.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Feb 10, 2004 17:28:18 GMT -5
didnt paul say that "yes there were some parts i wasnt able to play" so im thinking he probably did have some help on the past few albums... I think that for the parts he couldn't play, he just used his trusty drum machine. For instance "Knockin' Em Back" is all drum machine.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Feb 10, 2004 17:33:19 GMT -5
I thought the production of "heaven" was pretty good, though I'm no audiophile. My ears had it pegged between the recent stuff and 90s material, though slightly closer to the recent stuff. The production on "Heaven" is more worked on, but that's definitely him playing the drums. If "Lookin' Up in Heaven" is any indication, then I predict that with Folker we'll be getting basement songs that have actually been arranged and played with a little more time and care than some of the stuff on CFMT. More like an album full of "Crackle And Drag Alt. Version" than an album full of "Making Me Go."
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Post by torethatbridgeout on Feb 10, 2004 17:49:19 GMT -5
More like an album full of "Crackle And Drag Alt. Version" than an album full of "Making Me Go." Question is, will that cut it with those who feel the one man band's played itself out.
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Post by scoOter on Feb 11, 2004 9:54:51 GMT -5
i noticed the vox on "looking up to heaven"... seems more polished. not that it isn't him singing, but like he took a couple of takes to do it.
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