nyc1lkg
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Post by nyc1lkg on Oct 8, 2019 19:31:56 GMT -5
Don't wanna open up my cassette, how does the outtake version of asking me lies sound Same.....and I have nothing to play it on!
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Post by curmudgeonman on Oct 8, 2019 20:28:12 GMT -5
Don't wanna open up my cassette, how does the outtake version of asking me lies sound Same.....and I have nothing to play it on! Me too, no machine whatsoever. All dressed up and nowhere to go...
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Post by con on Oct 8, 2019 21:11:56 GMT -5
Same.....and I have nothing to play it on! Me too, no machine whatsoever. All dressed up and nowhere to go...My car was built the year Don't Tell a Soul was released and has a built-in cassette player. For a long time the only cassettes I had onboard were DTAS, PTMM and All Shook Down (and a Sinatra Christmas tape). Those cassettes, that sound, the ancient/futuristic dashboard of the car—man, I travel right into 1990. Part of me is still there. But I'm with ya—think I'll keep the outtakes wrapped in plastic.
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Post by RockNRollGhost on Oct 9, 2019 5:55:05 GMT -5
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Jer
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Post by Jer on Oct 9, 2019 11:49:35 GMT -5
Don't wanna open up my cassette, how does the outtake version of asking me lies sound Same.....and I have nothing to play it on! Didn't they send digitals of the two bonus tracks to the people who pre-ordered?
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nazareth
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Post by nazareth on Oct 9, 2019 13:51:42 GMT -5
Same.....and I have nothing to play it on! Didn't they send digitals of the two bonus tracks to the people who pre-ordered? They did yeah. Glad they did.
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Post by cubyman7 on Oct 9, 2019 14:50:19 GMT -5
Didn't they send digitals of the two bonus tracks to the people who pre-ordered? They did yeah. Glad they did. Yea I kno but I received my cassette when I bought the box at a record store so I didn't receive the download code.
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nazareth
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Post by nazareth on Oct 10, 2019 13:18:54 GMT -5
They did yeah. Glad they did. Yea I kno but I received my cassette when I bought the box at a record store so I didn't receive the download code. Check your PM's.
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Schecky
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Post by Schecky on Oct 11, 2019 14:41:18 GMT -5
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Post by rich1 on Oct 13, 2019 0:05:31 GMT -5
I have aready played Redux more times than I ever played the original DTAS. I was a naysayer...I viewed DTAS as a tarnishing to the band's legacy...I clung to the belief that the Mats should have used the Bearville tracks as the basis for the album.
Wallace's mix has converted me. This album sounds fantasitc. The new track order ( the band's orginal choice) just makes this ablum move... DTAS always seemed so tried and tedious-- not this version. There Blind-- is now a top tier Mats song.... Answering Me Lies, which I used to despise, is pure genius here. I Won't... is more entertaining... Back to Back has a driving beat now. Talent Show sounds like the band having fun...and the Tommorrow Never Knows-like guitar work adds to Darlin One. Thank you Matt Wallace and Bob Mehr… and thank you Slim for stashing these tapes away. The Replacements great run of albums is no longer a trinity... Redux now makes it four.
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Post by markc on Oct 13, 2019 2:36:52 GMT -5
I have aready played Redux more times than I ever played the original DTAS. I was a naysayer...I viewed DTAS as a tarnishing to the band's legacy...I clung to the belief that the Mats should have used the Bearville tracks as the basis for the album. Wallace's mix has converted me. This album sounds fantasitc. The new track order ( the band's orginal choice) just makes this ablum move... DTAS always seemed so tried and tedious-- not this version. There Blind-- is now a top tier Mats song.... Answering Me Lies, which I used to despise, is pure genius here. I Won't... is more entertaining... Back to Back has a driving beat now. Talent Show sounds like the band having fun...and the Tommorrow Never Knows-like guitar work adds to Darlin One. Thank you Matt Wallace and Bob Mehr… and thank you Slim for stashing these tapes away. The Replacements great run of albums is no longer a trinity... Redux now makes it four. I'd say the "great run of albums" includes everything up to and including Dead Man's Pop. Love all those Twintone albums a bit better than the Sire albums.
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Post by Veets on Oct 13, 2019 12:53:54 GMT -5
This release is worth the price just for the new version of "They're Blind." I get it that CLA was just "doing his job" but IMO he ruined this song. And we didn't even realize it for 30 years.
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Post by con on Oct 13, 2019 13:16:17 GMT -5
This release is worth the price just for the new version of "They're Blind." I get it that CLA was just "doing his job" but IMO he ruined this song. And we didn't even realize it for 30 years. It definitely stands out. I wonder if that has anything to do with it being the first song Paul and Slim tackled before the rest of the band showed up. It almost sounds like a different band. It is, in a way. Matt Wallace is playing drums on the Dead Man's Pop version (Chris' take was lost on a B-reel apparently). And from what I understand it's not a take from 1988 but 2019.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Oct 13, 2019 13:34:37 GMT -5
I get it that CLA was just "doing his job" but IMO he ruined this song. And we didn't even realize it for 30 years. I think all of us who saw them play it live realized it. I mean, they did tour with this album, so a lot of us heard the unvarnished versions of these songs right away. I can think of a number of Mats songs that were revealed to be something greater when played live, and this happened later too, with even more Paul solo songs. Two obvious examples are Torture and Century. Both gained new verses and bridges live, exposing the recorded versions as unfinished.
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Post by Veets on Oct 14, 2019 10:29:27 GMT -5
I get it that CLA was just "doing his job" but IMO he ruined this song. And we didn't even realize it for 30 years. I think all of us who saw them play it live realized it. I mean, they did tour with this album, so a lot of us heard the unvarnished versions of these songs right away. I can think of a number of Mats songs that were revealed to be something greater when played live, and this happened later too, with even more Paul solo songs. Two obvious examples are Torture and Century. Both gained new verses and bridges live, exposing the recorded versions as unfinished. You probably know better than me, but I did see them a couple of times back in that era, and have listened to bootlegs from then too, and to my ears those live renditions are basically the Don't Tell a Soul version of the song. The thing that really stands out to me is the slower tempo of the song. And the drumming, but as pointed out above that is new from 2019 (the performance, if not the idea itself too).
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Post by teddinard on Oct 14, 2019 17:01:09 GMT -5
I have aready played Redux more times than I ever played the original DTAS. I was a naysayer...I viewed DTAS as a tarnishing to the band's legacy...I clung to the belief that the Mats should have used the Bearville tracks as the basis for the album. Wallace's mix has converted me. This album sounds fantasitc. The new track order ( the band's orginal choice) just makes this ablum move... DTAS always seemed so tried and tedious-- not this version. There Blind-- is now a top tier Mats song.... Answering Me Lies, which I used to despise, is pure genius here. I Won't... is more entertaining... Back to Back has a driving beat now. Talent Show sounds like the band having fun...and the Tommorrow Never Knows-like guitar work adds to Darlin One. Thank you Matt Wallace and Bob Mehr… and thank you Slim for stashing these tapes away. The Replacements great run of albums is no longer a trinity... Redux now makes it four. I like these points, though I'm not quite at your high level of enthusiasm. It was always my least favorite album by my favorite band, and I guess it is still that. I still think Westerberg's writing is a bit off, and no new production can change that---using words like "quell" that just don't come naturally to him (even when he tries to recover by rhyming it with "oh well"). His lyrics usually sound like the way people actually talk--a rare achievement--but often he launches himself too high for me here. Still I think you're right about "Darlin' One," one of the big lyrical offenders. When it's presented as a hippie baroque-pop-type song with the sloppy droning guitars, it nearly justifies stuff like "snow-white breast," "the smell of man that now scents your wings," etc. It makes the lyrical elevation sound more reasonable. Anyway I do think "They're Blind" is much better, "Back to Back" is better, etc. The track order is better, as you all are saying. It just sounds better, and it makes sense as a Replacements record like it never did before. Oh well. There always has to be a least favorite. I'm still listening to this one, though.
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Post by thematsarealive on Oct 14, 2019 22:02:23 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion: This remix is great and likely better than what was released in '89 but this album sounds a little dry and not much different than DTAS other than removing the reverb and making the guitars more clear.
I love this album but I also thought Don't Tell a Soul was a fabulous album. Removing a bit of reverb with a cash grab bonus disc included is good and all but it would not move my overall opinion of the record or anything
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Post by raccoon on Oct 15, 2019 17:56:31 GMT -5
Loving the box.
The live show sounds like a band struggling a bit, though. 'Anywhere' is not aging well.
Paul should have gone solo after PTMM? DTAS and ASD would have been his first and second albums (in some form).
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Post by 405z06 on Oct 15, 2019 18:23:12 GMT -5
This box should have a subtitle: "Revenge of Paul's guitar!"
The remix, the live stuff, the Berg stuff. And even going back to the Maxwell's thing. Paul's guitar is way more prominent and the music is that much better for it, IMO. Paul's rhythm guitar is bad ass, always has been.
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Post by 405z06 on Oct 15, 2019 18:33:47 GMT -5
And as for the remix of the album proper, I absolutely love it! Even the Wallace remix is the most "produced" album the 'Mats ever made (except for maybe "Pleased"?), but this remix is so much preferable to the original to my tastes.
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