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Post by curmudgeonman on Oct 1, 2019 18:07:37 GMT -5
Won't spoil it for those waiting for theirs, but very impressive packaging, one of the better box sets I have come across. Has a nice coffee table book feel to it.
Very nice.
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Post by thenewoldme on Oct 1, 2019 20:49:52 GMT -5
So far I really like "We'll Inherit the Earth" on Disc 1. Never liked it on the original release, but I think it rocks like hell on this release. I also REALLY like "Dance on My Planet". Sounds like a slow acoustic version of the Stones "She's So Cold".
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Post by Jer on Oct 2, 2019 5:58:09 GMT -5
Love the digital but the vinyl takes it to a whole new level. Even better separation and warmth. The book is a little disappointing. The content is great but it's basically just a stapled paper folder. I was expecting something a little more substantial for the price, like a bound hard or even soft-cover.
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Post by mike529 on Oct 2, 2019 6:46:00 GMT -5
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Post by heyoka on Oct 2, 2019 9:32:50 GMT -5
Love the digital but the vinyl takes it to a whole new level. Even better separation and warmth. The book is a little disappointing. The content is great but it's basically just a stapled paper folder. I was expecting something a little more substantial for the price, like a bound hard or even soft-cover. It's also mostly excerpts from Trouble Boys until the last section and Matt Wallace's note.
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Post by Freddy on Oct 2, 2019 16:24:07 GMT -5
Love the digital but the vinyl takes it to a whole new level. Even better separation and warmth. The book is a little disappointing. The content is great but it's basically just a stapled paper folder. I was expecting something a little more substantial for the price, like a bound hard or even soft-cover. It's also mostly excerpts from Trouble Boys until the last section and Matt Wallace's note. I read some of the reviews and kind of scratch my head when someone mentions that there are songs on there specifically written TO women or even about women. OK, maybe (probably?)....but I have always understood most of the lyrics on songs (slower ballad-esque tunes) like "They're Blind", "Achin to Be", and "Darlin One" to be about Paul or the band itself. I can't know for sure, but it just felt that way to me. Anyone else have that take away? I've been listening to the songs since they were originally released and I have never really thought of them as "love" songs, although I totally understand that they can be interpreted that way.
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Post by leftofthedial09 on Oct 2, 2019 23:32:45 GMT -5
Won't spoil it for those waiting for theirs, but very impressive packaging, one of the better box sets I have come across. Has a nice coffee table book feel to it. Very nice. I totally agree!
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Post by Jer on Oct 3, 2019 6:24:26 GMT -5
I read some of the reviews and kind of scratch my head when someone mentions that there are songs on there specifically written TO women or even about women. OK, maybe (probably?)....but I have always understood most of the lyrics on songs (slower ballad-esque tunes) like "They're Blind", "Achin to Be", and "Darlin One" to be about Paul or the band itself. I can't know for sure, but it just felt that way to me. Anyone else have that take away? I've been listening to the songs since they were originally released and I have never really thought of them as "love" songs, although I totally understand that they can be interpreted that way.
I don't think it's quite that cut and dry for the most part. Songwriters often take bits and pieces from different people, stories, and themselves to make up the lyrics of a song. It's often subtle, and from a listener perspective you'd never know. There's no rule that a song has to be about a single subject or person, or it has to be true or it has to be from the perspective of the person it's about, so you just try to end up with the best lyrics and hope they resonate.
I expect Paul does/did a lot of that. Like Achin' to Be was maybe inspired by his sister, but at the end he turns it around and makes it about himself, which is pretty clever and a really nice way to tie the lyrics up into a nice package at the end. There could be all kinds of other things going on in there - the painting, the acting - that can all be pulled from different inspirations, then someone asks Paul what it's about and he says his sister, which is probably an easy answer to a complicated question, and only a small part of the story. The (hypothetical) fact that verse one and three are about this girl but verse two was about that other girl really don't matter to the listener - they'll form their own story - but better lyrics often come form diverse sources.
Of course there are exceptions, like Good Day seems to be about Bob with little outside influence, and maybe Waitress in the Sky, or whatever, but the more abstract songs like They're Blind, Darlin' One, Achin' to Be seem more ambiguous or composite-like, and partially - but not completely - autobiographical to me.
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Post by markc on Oct 3, 2019 9:59:42 GMT -5
Couple of bold claims in this review. I wont spoil it. "it’s probably every fan’s fourth- or fifth-favorite Replacements album — almost without fail, really, no matter which three or four they place ahead of it. But there’s a pretty good chance this box set will move it up to, like, No. 2" I mean, there are opinions, but this is just factually wrong. "“Don’t Tell a Soul” was very arguably the best single collection of songs ever written by Paul Westerberg..." This guy is wild. After listening to Dead Man's Pop for a few days now, I absolutely love it and wish this would have been the version originally released. But it's only moved up to maybe 5-6 favourite Replacements album for me. Not sure what you meant by "factually wrong" from what you quoted, just looks like someone's opinion that's different from yours. Let It Be Sorry Ma Hootenanny Tim Pleased to Meet Me/Dead Man's Pop Stink Don't Tell a Soul All Shook Down Love them all though.
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Post by nyc1lkg on Oct 3, 2019 19:22:50 GMT -5
I have listened to Dead Man's Pop about half a dozen times now. I love everything about it, start to finish. For Replacement's fans, there is no doubt in my mind that it is a "better" record than DTAS and certainly a better representation of the band at that stage of their development. I much prefer it to DTAS, which I must say I always loved like a family member (meaning, maybe didn't always like....but always loved).
I just listened to "They're Blind" back to back from both records. The difference in these two versions is stark. I found myself toggling back to the DTAS version trying to find the beautiful subtleties that are prominent on the Dead Man version. Where are they? Buried? Removed? And the guitar solo?!? Completely different. It had me wondering when the solo for the DTAS version was cut. To my amateur ears, I don't think it's a mixing thing. I think two completely different sessions. Slim, I assume? The playing on the DM'sP version is beautiful.
I thank Matt Wallace, Bob Mehr, the record company and the band for doing this. I've been listening to music for a long time now and I can't ever recall a re-release that comes close to what has been accomplished with this one. And I'm only talking about the 11 tracks on Dead Man's Pop. Add in the alternate versions, out-takes, Tom Wait's nuggets and the full Inconcerated set and.....I'll be damned if this isn't one of my favorite releases of all time.
I'd love to read others' impressions of one song compared/contrasted between the two releases...especially those of you who are incredibly articulate and knowledgeable about the more technical aspects of recording and songwriting.
Last thought, I kind of like the stuff they started doing with Tony Berg too.
Keep enjoying!!
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Post by oldmatsfan on Oct 3, 2019 20:08:18 GMT -5
Mine arrived today, already have the MP3 downloads on my iPod, plan on breaking out my old turntable this weekend to give the vinyl a spin.
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Post by ClamsCasino on Oct 3, 2019 21:18:17 GMT -5
"it’s probably every fan’s fourth- or fifth-favorite Replacements album — almost without fail, really, no matter which three or four they place ahead of it. But there’s a pretty good chance this box set will move it up to, like, No. 2" I mean, there are opinions, but this is just factually wrong. "“Don’t Tell a Soul” was very arguably the best single collection of songs ever written by Paul Westerberg..." This guy is wild. Not sure what you meant by "factually wrong" from what you quoted, just looks like someone's opinion that's different from yours. He claimed that "almost without fail" it's every fan's fourth or fifth favorite album. It's not an opinion, when it's something easily disproved.
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Post by dee on Oct 4, 2019 4:02:04 GMT -5
The question needs to be asked,did Wallace make the best album he could,or just strip everything away? Like,is there a happy medium between the two versions of this album.I hear a lot of drumsticks counting off songs,which makes the intros seem pretty raw.There seems to be no filter on the color of the sound,probably the point,but could there have been without taking away from the revelatory mix of Dead Man's Pop?
Also,love the deluxe package,but individual cases for the Cd's would have been nice.I listen to music on the go more than sitting down in front of the stereo and immersing myself.
This album seems so out of left field now in the mats' catalogue,which I love.It makes DTAS sound more transparently embellished when you hear some of the shimmer that comes in in places.
Westerberg's voice may be one of the best improvements on the new mix.Sounds more authentic to the guys real voice.Sounded kind of syrupy before.Also Slim gets to shine a bit.
I could see how the mix of DTAS could possibly wreck the band.
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Post by heyoka on Oct 4, 2019 7:14:52 GMT -5
I want to know if the LP has "Portland" etched in the inner vinyl. It has a "We're still sorry" on side one. And Portland on side two.
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Post by Jer on Oct 4, 2019 8:29:24 GMT -5
...I just listened to "They're Blind" back to back from both records. The difference in these two versions is stark. I found myself toggling back to the DTAS version trying to find the beautiful subtleties that are prominent on the Dead Man version. Where are they? Buried? Removed? And the guitar solo?!? Completely different. It had me wondering when the solo for the DTAS version was cut. To my amateur ears, I don't think it's a mixing thing. I think two completely different sessions. Slim, I assume? The playing on the DM'sP version is beautiful. .... I'd love to read others' impressions of one song compared/contrasted between the two releases...especially those of you who are incredibly articulate and knowledgeable about the more technical aspects of recording and songwriting. Seems that there is a mostly universal opinion that They're Blind benefited the most from the Wallace treatment. I can't argue. For me, I always thought it was one of the stronger songs on the record, but lumped in with the rest as far as the production sucking the feeling out of it. It sorta went from an 80s alternative ballad on the original to an almost 50s waltzy Americana thing now. There's so much more feeling and depth. The vocal is way more powerful. It's really great.
I loved the original guitar solo. I always thought it was one of Slim's best. The Wallace version is better, more creative, more interesting. There are parts in these mixes that are from different takes than the 89 mix, but that is maybe the most glaring. He probably compared alternate takes and used them when he thought it was an improvement, but sparingly, so it's still basically the same record. I doesn't sound like the same rig, so you you might be right that it was a different session, or maybe they did a few this way, decided it needed something different so changed the rig and cut a few more during the same session.
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Post by bside on Oct 4, 2019 14:07:35 GMT -5
...I just listened to "They're Blind" back to back from both records. The difference in these two versions is stark. I found myself toggling back to the DTAS version trying to find the beautiful subtleties that are prominent on the Dead Man version. Where are they? Buried? Removed? And the guitar solo?!? Completely different. It had me wondering when the solo for the DTAS version was cut. To my amateur ears, I don't think it's a mixing thing. I think two completely different sessions. Slim, I assume? The playing on the DM'sP version is beautiful. .... I'd love to read others' impressions of one song compared/contrasted between the two releases...especially those of you who are incredibly articulate and knowledgeable about the more technical aspects of recording and songwriting. Seems that there is a mostly universal opinion that They're Blind benefited the most from the Wallace treatment. I can't argue. For me, I always thought it was one of the stronger songs on the record, but lumped in with the rest as far as the production sucking the feeling out of it. It sorta went from an 80s alternative ballad on the original to an almost 50s waltzy Americana thing now. There's so much more feeling and depth. The vocal is way more powerful. It's really great.
I loved the original guitar solo. I always thought it was one of Slim's best. The Wallace version is better, more creative, more interesting. There are parts in these mixes that are from different takes than the 89 mix, but that is maybe the most glaring. He probably compared alternate takes and used them when he thought it was an improvement, but sparingly, so it's still basically the same record. I doesn't sound like the same rig, so you you might be right that it was a different session, or maybe they did a few this way, decided it needed something different so changed the rig and cut a few more during the same session.
This is touched on in the included booklet/recollections from Bob Mehr. Apparently the studio mandated the change in solo and a new vocal cut. It's interesting because the intention was to sort of set the song up to have that contrast between the waltz and the bluesy solo interjection.
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Post by bside on Oct 4, 2019 14:08:12 GMT -5
I want to know if the LP has "Portland" etched in the inner vinyl. It has a "We're still sorry" on side one. And Portland on side two. Brilliant! Such a cool little detail.
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Post by bside on Oct 4, 2019 14:19:08 GMT -5
Do I swap them?
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Post by anarkissed on Oct 4, 2019 14:23:12 GMT -5
Is there a shirt with the Dead Man's Pop cover on it?
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Post by phlipm34 on Oct 4, 2019 21:23:45 GMT -5
Question, and I apologize if asked before(I looked but did not seeing anything): Prior to playing Cruella, Paul says they were "totally got tricked into doing".
Anyone know the backstory?
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