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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 13, 2018 20:21:20 GMT -5
A song like ‘Go’ for example, I think you could say The Pixies copped some of their sound from a song like that, and they influenced Nirvana The Pixes built their sound off "GO" ?? Expand on that if you would? is the "they influenced nirvana" meant to be Pixies or the repalcements?
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Post by anarkissed on Jul 13, 2018 21:21:33 GMT -5
Nirvana repeatedly, explicitly cited The Pixies as a major influence...
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 14, 2018 6:24:52 GMT -5
Nirvana repeatedly, explicitly cited The Pixies as a major influence... ok, yes I see that, I dont see much Replacements influence...Nirvanna never did anything for me so maybe I dont have much insight on the matter.
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Post by Hagbard on Jul 15, 2018 1:49:58 GMT -5
A song like ‘Go’ for example, I think you could say The Pixies copped some of their sound from a song like that, and they influenced Nirvana The Pixes built their sound off "GO" ?? Expand on that if you would? is the "they influenced nirvana" meant to be Pixies or the repalcements? Copped some of their sound is a little different to, “built their sound” imo. I just hear some Pixies in Bob’s guitar sound on Go, especially the opening lick and the whole quiet verse, loud chorus thing.
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Post by markc on Jul 17, 2018 16:43:45 GMT -5
Nirvana repeatedly, explicitly cited The Pixies as a major influence... ok, yes I see that, I dont see much Replacements influence...Nirvanna never did anything for me so maybe I dont have much insight on the matter. The influence of The Replacements on Kurt in my opinion, and many others, is that it is huge, despite what Kurt may have said. He was downplaying the obvious. Some quotes: They influenced a generation of rockers, from Kurt Cobain, who sang as though he had listened to their anthem “Bastards of Young” on a loop, to Jeff Tweedy and Billie Joe Armstrong, who said that “if it wasn’t for [them] I might have spent my time playing in bad speed-metal bands.” In an interview with Jim Derogatis, Westerberg says, “I wonder if perhaps it took a generation of impostors to show them who meant it and who didn’t. The generation that came right after me—Kurt Cobain, et al. —was not embracing what I did, although they certainly were influenced, whether they admitted it or not.”
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 17, 2018 17:01:55 GMT -5
ok, yes I see that, I dont see much Replacements influence...Nirvanna never did anything for me so maybe I dont have much insight on the matter. The influence of The Replacements on Kurt in my opinion, and many others, is that it is huge, despite what Kurt may have said. He was downplaying the obvious. Some quotes: They influenced a generation of rockers, from Kurt Cobain, who sang as though he had listened to their anthem “Bastards of Young” on a loop, to Jeff Tweedy and Billie Joe Armstrong, who said that “if it wasn’t for [them] I might have spent my time playing in bad speed-metal bands.” In an interview with Jim Derogatis, Westerberg says, “I wonder if perhaps it took a generation of impostors to show them who meant it and who didn’t. The generation that came right after me—Kurt Cobain, et al. —was not embracing what I did, although they certainly were influenced, whether they admitted it or not.”[/quote Yeah, the tweedy Billie Joe I can see and recall hearing them say as much. Cobain not sure I hear it but again I'm not real familiar with so will leave it there
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Post by anarkissed on Jul 17, 2018 18:12:01 GMT -5
>>They influenced a generation of rockers, from Kurt Cobain, who sang as though he had listened to their anthem “Bastards of Young” on a loop<< Who is this quoting? Sounds really generic...It's not based on anything specific, just something this writer feels should be imposed upon circumstances for his own sense of order...
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Post by Hagbard on Jul 17, 2018 22:52:44 GMT -5
>>They influenced a generation of rockers, from Kurt Cobain, who sang as though he had listened to their anthem “Bastards of Young” on a loop<< Who is this quoting? Sounds really generic...It's not based on anything specific, just something this writer feels should be imposed upon circumstances for his own sense of order... I think it’s from Jim Walsh’s book.
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Post by anarkissed on Jul 18, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5
My impression has always been that Kurt Cobain did not shy away from talking about other artists he enjoyed or felt had influenced him. He also seemed to like that his "fame" afforded him the opportunity to talk about other lesser known artists and maybe bring some attention to them. It wasn't always cool obscure bands, either. He would mention somebody with as little artistic credibility as The Knack, (Hey, I liked 'em. So let's not have a bunch of Knack fans get their panties in a wad) or big obvious bands like Zeppelin or Sabbath. So it would just seem out of character for The Replacements to have been a big personal influence, and for him to almost never have said anything about them. I'm guessing he'd heard of them, heard some of them, but wasn't that interested in them. I think the idea has persisted just because it makes a good story, and considerable chronological sense. I wish it was that way. I've always had it in my head that anybody who ever played any kind of hard rock guitar after 1969 had to go through Mick Taylor, and anybody after 1974 had to go through Joe Perry, but I think I'm probably wrong about that.
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Post by teddinard on Jul 18, 2018 16:26:26 GMT -5
Jesus, Joe Perry?!
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Post by anarkissed on Jul 18, 2018 16:49:33 GMT -5
I said I might be wrong about that...Heh...
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Post by Jer on Jul 19, 2018 6:38:48 GMT -5
Yeah it's all conjecture. Anarkissed is right - Kurt never shied away from talking about influences, on the contrary, he embraced them, so it's unlikely that he intentionally left The Replacements out of those conversations. And just because Paul says they were influenced whether they admit it or not doesn't make it a fact. Paul's been known to say things off the cuff that aren't necessarily based in fact or reason. I think you can say Nirvana (and a lot of 90s alternative bands) would have probably been a different band had The Replacements not existed, but there's no evidence of them being a direct influence.
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Post by anarkissed on Jul 19, 2018 8:56:10 GMT -5
And just because Paul says they were influenced whether they admit it or not doesn't make it a fact. Said in that sense, I find makes more sense. (If that makes any sense.) As in, I'd say pretty much any band with a guitar, bass, drums lineup, electricity, and even the vaguest of pop sensibilities has been influenced by The Beatles, even if they never listened to The Beatles. That example I mentioned above about Joe Perry and Mick Taylor was from an old online argument I had with some guy about who influenced Slash. As I was saying that even if he never listened to The Stones or Aerosmith, whatever hard rock bands he did listen to probably did, so he was influenced by osmosis, if nothing else. I'm not sure you can excuse many rock guitarists since 1960 from owing a debt to Chuck Berry, even if they never heard of him.
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 19, 2018 20:25:50 GMT -5
And just because Paul says they were influenced whether they admit it or not doesn't make it a fact. I'm not sure you can excuse many rock guitarists since 1960 from owing a debt to Chuck Berry, even if they never heard of him. I get where you are going with this but there isnt a rock guitarist that isnt familiar with Chuck Berry,..
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Post by thematsarealive on Jul 19, 2018 20:26:09 GMT -5
ok, yes I see that, I dont see much Replacements influence...Nirvanna never did anything for me so maybe I dont have much insight on the matter. The influence of The Replacements on Kurt in my opinion, and many others, is that it is huge, despite what Kurt may have said. He was downplaying the obvious. Some quotes: They influenced a generation of rockers, from Kurt Cobain, who sang as though he had listened to their anthem “Bastards of Young” on a loop, to Jeff Tweedy and Billie Joe Armstrong, who said that “if it wasn’t for [them] I might have spent my time playing in bad speed-metal bands.” In an interview with Jim Derogatis, Westerberg says, “I wonder if perhaps it took a generation of impostors to show them who meant it and who didn’t. The generation that came right after me—Kurt Cobain, et al. —was not embracing what I did, although they certainly were influenced, whether they admitted it or not.” I'm not disagreeing with your overall viewpoint, because Kurt and the guys in Nirvana watched a ton of MTV and I'm certain they were aware of the videos from Don't Tell a Soul and All Shook Down. But honestly, you can't be quoting music journalist book statements as fact. Their thoughts, many times, couldn't be further from the truth and they are usually losers who will say or type anything that they think will get them more acknowledgement, for example whatever you're quoting in your first paragraph. And that quote from PW seems partially bitter since he was older and missed the financial success that other bands had at the time.
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Post by thematsarealive on Jul 19, 2018 20:31:40 GMT -5
It would be cool if Paul could log on and make a comment on a thread like this. I bet he has internet now and it would be cool to hear a random comment from him that required subject matter expertiese.
This is coming from someone who appreciated and checked this forum long before I made an account and posted comments.
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Post by markc on Jul 20, 2018 1:52:08 GMT -5
The influence of The Replacements on Kurt in my opinion, and many others, is that it is huge, despite what Kurt may have said. He was downplaying the obvious. Some quotes: They influenced a generation of rockers, from Kurt Cobain, who sang as though he had listened to their anthem “Bastards of Young” on a loop, to Jeff Tweedy and Billie Joe Armstrong, who said that “if it wasn’t for [them] I might have spent my time playing in bad speed-metal bands.” In an interview with Jim Derogatis, Westerberg says, “I wonder if perhaps it took a generation of impostors to show them who meant it and who didn’t. The generation that came right after me—Kurt Cobain, et al. —was not embracing what I did, although they certainly were influenced, whether they admitted it or not.” I'm not disagreeing with your overall viewpoint, because Kurt and the guys in Nirvana watched a ton of MTV and I'm certain they were aware of the videos from Don't Tell a Soul and All Shook Down. But honestly, you can't be quoting music journalist book statements as fact. Their thoughts, many times, couldn't be further from the truth and they are usually losers who will say or type anything that they think will get them more acknowledgement, for example whatever you're quoting in your first paragraph. And that quote from PW seems partially bitter since he was older and missed the financial success that other bands had at the time. I'll stick with believing Paul Westerberg on his word. And I'll also stick with the music journalists who devote their professional lives to writing about music. And also with my own experience in the 80's as a lover of alternative music. "College rock" was a small community compared to the vast "alternative" scene now, and there's no doubt everyone listened to everyone. I have no doubt whatsoever that Kurt was influenced by Paul, perhaps so much so that he was a little embarrassed by how much, and as a result downplayed it. My opinion.
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 20, 2018 5:04:57 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with your overall viewpoint, because Kurt and the guys in Nirvana watched a ton of MTV and I'm certain they were aware of the videos from Don't Tell a Soul and All Shook Down. But honestly, you can't be quoting music journalist book statements as fact. Their thoughts, many times, couldn't be further from the truth and they are usually losers who will say or type anything that they think will get them more acknowledgement, for example whatever you're quoting in your first paragraph. And that quote from PW seems partially bitter since he was older and missed the financial success that other bands had at the time. "College rock" was a small community compared to the vast "alternative" scene now, and there's no doubt everyone listened to everyone. I would say you could prove the opposite with that same statement. Just from a fan perspective from my experience the vast majority of my contemporaries have no idea who the Replacements were.
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 20, 2018 5:08:15 GMT -5
for some reason I couldnt quote thematsarealive post but in response to this "I'm not disagreeing with your overall viewpoint, because Kurt and the guys in Nirvana watched a ton of MTV and I'm certain they were aware of the videos from Don't Tell a Soul and All Shook Down."
I would just say I dont remembemer seeing any videos from those times.
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Post by jimmyrock on Jul 20, 2018 5:09:54 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with your overall viewpoint, because Kurt and the guys in Nirvana watched a ton of MTV and I'm certain they were aware of the videos from Don't Tell a Soul and All Shook Down. But honestly, you can't be quoting music journalist book statements as fact. Their thoughts, many times, couldn't be further from the truth and they are usually losers who will say or type anything that they think will get them more acknowledgement, for example whatever you're quoting in your first paragraph. And that quote from PW seems partially bitter since he was older and missed the financial success that other bands had at the time. I'll stick with believing Paul Westerberg on his word. I'll go with what Jer said: "And just because Paul says they were influenced whether they admit it or not doesn't make it a fact."
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