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Post by GtrPlyr on Dec 7, 2012 16:09:47 GMT -5
49:00 is a proper album as far as I'm concerned. The songs flow well together and thanks to the editing and sequencing the whole thing feels like there's some overall artistic vision involved in putting it together. More so than some of Paul's "proper" albums I'd venture to say. I don't believe that production values or standard song structures (verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus) should necessarily be the criteria that define what makes a record a "proper" release or not either. Those values are for the commercially and conventionally minded artists, not for someone like Paul. If Paul wants to sprinkle in some short songs that may only have a verse or chorus, who are we to say the songs aren’t complete. One of the things that makes 49:00 refreshing for me are those unique and terse songs that come and go all short and sweet like. It may seem tossed off to many, but I’d argue that as a whole it’s as cohesive a piece of work as anything else the man has released to date. So yes, definitely a proper album, and at 44 minutes it is actually the length of a typical vinyl record so even better.
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Post by scoOter on Dec 8, 2012 10:13:24 GMT -5
49:00 is a proper album as far as I'm concerned. The songs flow well together and thanks to the editing and sequencing the whole thing feels like there's some overall artistic vision involved in putting it together. More so than some of Paul's "proper" albums I'd venture to say. I don't believe that production values or standard song structures (verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus) should necessarily be the criteria that define what makes a record a "proper" release or not either. Those values are for the commercially and conventionally minded artists, not for someone like Paul. If Paul wants to sprinkle in some short songs that may only have a verse or chorus, who are we to say the songs aren’t complete. One of the things that makes 49:00 refreshing for me are those unique and terse songs that come and go all short and sweet like. It may seem tossed off to many, but I’d argue that as a whole it’s as cohesive a piece of work as anything else the man has released to date. So yes, definitely a proper album, and at 44 minutes it is actually the length of a typical vinyl record so even better. good points all, mr. guitar (hello, by the way). i don't necessarily have a problem with paul being "uncommercial", but honestly 49:00 (along with some of the other internetrock - esp. gls) is more than simply "uncommercial". it is actively challenging. this can be a good thing, but not always. westerberg has, to me, never, until 49:00, been an actively challenging artist or particularly uncommercial. he did things in the marketing realm that sabotaged success for most of his career, but the music, while largely awesome, wasn't breaking much ground. no one should take the above as a slam, because it isn't. i said earlier that i think 49:00 lacks focus. i may have misspoken. 49:00 seems, again - to me, entirely focused on challenging the listener to make it to the end. i don't think this impression is or should be what westerberberg was going for; esp. considering for the better part of 20 years it wasn't his m.o. granted, i am happy to get any releases from paul, and the price has been almost free. also, considering how incredibly awesome some of the internetrock has been, i count myself lucky to have it. still, 49:00 will never be a proper album to me; not because it was digital only, or because it was one long track. i buy into both of those concepts, as well as any song structure experiments he wants to do. it is simply the way songs simply stop, or suddenly bleed into one another so both are existing in my ears for a time, and all of that tomfoolery that make this a non-album. whether a song has a chorus or not is immaterial to me. i just want to hear and appreciate it from start to finish. (don't get me started on grandpaboy's last stand)
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Post by Squaw on Dec 10, 2012 11:54:55 GMT -5
I’m not sure whether we’ll ever hear another ‘14 Songs’ type album from him or not. It doesn’t really matter to me one way or the other. I enjoyed ‘PW & The Ghost Gloves Cat Wing Joy Boys’ though it was far from conventional. A few more songs would have made it even better! Same with ‘Mr. F’. I tend to be a rather easy listener when it comes to certain artists, PW being one of them. I get a kick out of the diversity. But then again, I like old Leadbelly records and everything Dylan has done. Technical proficiency is only a minor aspect of the overall worth of a song for me. Instead I just go with how it makes me feel or how it impacts my thoughts.
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Post by nazareth on Dec 11, 2012 20:08:21 GMT -5
My fantasy project is that Paul and Tommy would do an album and tour together...Just bill it under their own names so that there isn't this big onus of a Replacements "reunion"...Previously, I suppose Tommy was always trying to get out from under Paul's shadow, and Paul was trying to get out from under the Mats' shadow, but I think they've proven their point by now. This would just be a one-time, short-term deal; I guess they'd have to commit something like a year to it. Looking at the work they've done post-breakup, it's just hard to imagine two people whose sensibilities are more in tune. The album could be about 1/3 Tommy, 1/3 Paul, and a 1/3 honest collaboration. On tour, you could have a lot of solo Paul, Tommy could break out all those B&P and Perfect highlights, and they could do the most obscure Mats-era choices they could think of...And I think it'd be really funny if they did a really sloppy, over-the-top deconstruction of "Welcome To The Jungle"... I would LOVE for this to happen! This would be the best case scenario for me.
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Post by wibbler on Jan 5, 2013 23:21:40 GMT -5
I enjoyed ‘PW & The Ghost Gloves Cat Wing Joy Boys’ though it was far from conventional. Which qualities disqualify ‘PW & The Ghost Gloves Cat Wing Joy Boys’ from being a "proper" new PW album?
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Post by Squaw on Jan 6, 2013 2:28:08 GMT -5
I enjoyed ‘PW & The Ghost Gloves Cat Wing Joy Boys’ though it was far from conventional. Which qualities disqualify ‘PW & The Ghost Gloves Cat Wing Joy Boys’ from being a "proper" new PW album? The short answer: The premise of this thread defined by the author, wecantgetanybetter - “By "proper" I mean like, 14 Songs, Eventually, Stereo/Mono, Dead Man Shake, CMFT, Folker ... a record album with maybe 10-14 new songs or covers.” PW & GGCWJB has six songs. I did not use the term ‘proper’ and disagreed with the premise.
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