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Post by HillBillyJunk on Sept 15, 2004 16:47:09 GMT -5
Don't be sick of it, dude. Again, I haven't hear it yet. But it's undeniable that hopes, if not expectations, HAVE been raised in advance of this disc. You call it an "experiment" in his "new" lo-fi recording style. This actually makes it the 5th straight disc in his you-say-low-fi-I-say-half-assed, tossed-off recording style. It's not dissing his "hard work"....it's holding his feet to the fire and wishing he "would" work hard. It used to take him 3 years to come up with a disc that had half GREAT tunes and half filler. It was worth the wait. now hes got 4 great discs, great tunes, no filler all in 3 years? keepat it paul..stay in the basement!
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Post by Harry on Sept 15, 2004 17:16:19 GMT -5
now hes got 4 great discs, great tunes, no filler all in 3 years? keepat it paul..stay in the basement! Yeah, yeah.... I know I repeat myself, but if Dead Man Shake is a "great" record, then a tape of PW belching and farting would have to be a "pretty good" record.
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Post by Placemat on Sept 15, 2004 17:28:11 GMT -5
Yeah, yeah.... I know I repeat myself, but if Dead Man Shake is a "great" record, then a tape of PW belching and farting would have to be a "pretty good" record. Well, as long as he added some drums. ;D
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Post by PeterCetera on Sept 15, 2004 18:29:06 GMT -5
the Dont Tell Ringo comment at the end of Jingle.. did he rip that melody from Ringo or something or does it just rhyme? Pretty funny.. I get a kick out of that.
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Post by Doug on Sept 16, 2004 2:40:30 GMT -5
Still haven't heard it. This thread's been a great lead up though. In the meantime though, I listened to CFMT on a great car stereo today and was reminded how good it is. So if Folker is at all similar, I'll be happy.
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Post by scoOter on Sept 16, 2004 8:19:19 GMT -5
Still haven't heard it. This thread's been a great lead up though. In the meantime though, I listened to CFMT on a great car stereo today and was reminded how good it is. So if Folker is at all similar, I'll be happy. wow. prescient comment. i am listening to cfmt right now, and i am struck by how DIFFERENT these two most recent albums are. i have been listening to all folker all the time for the past couple of weeks, and i decided to throw in cfmt for a change... cfmt is a rollicking rock record ("rrr" - the next album title for paul?). i mean it flat out smokes in parts. pine box may be overly long, but damn if it doesn't scream. folker is MUCH, MUCH more subdued & even, doug. i predict that paul will continue on this lo-fi track ad infinitum, and the next album will be more like cfmt.
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Post by fungo on Sept 16, 2004 14:45:02 GMT -5
Yeah, yeah.... I know I repeat myself, but if Dead Man Shake is a "great" record, then a tape of PW belching and farting would have to be a "pretty good" record. I love Dead Man Shake. Westerberg playing sloppy blues. The way blues should be played. It's certainly different than CFMT and Folker, but that's why he released it on a Blues label as Grandpaboy.
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Post by fungo on Sept 16, 2004 14:52:15 GMT -5
Here's a quote from the Billboard interview that best expresses what I love about PW's DIY production. It harkens back to the PTMM and earlier Mats. For those that prefer the slicker production of ASD, Eventually, etc. may not appreciate PW's current stuff as much.
The increasingly ragged sounds of these releases fall more in line with the earliest days of his beloved Minneapolis-based punk act the Replacements, rather than the more produced output of their latter years and Westerberg's solo projects for Reprise.
"I'm not a stickler for high-quality sound if it means sacrificing spontaneity," he says. "I like one-takes. I like the first take of a vocal because it usually has the passion that you don't get on a third or fourth take."
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Post by A Regular on Sept 16, 2004 15:49:28 GMT -5
"I'm not a stickler for high-quality sound if it means sacrificing spontaneity," he says. "I like one-takes. I like the first take of a vocal because it usually has the passion that you don't get on a third or fourth take."
I would tend to agree and always wonder why PW or the Mats never released a "proper" live album.
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Post by prine on Sept 17, 2004 1:45:33 GMT -5
I play Dead Man Shake more than I do CFMT. In a previous post I said that you could play Jimmy Reed's greatest hits side by side with DMS and hear the same album. This is already a lost classic. But again, you have to dig the blues pre-50's to really dig it. Not for everyone, but dude it smokes.
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Post by PeterCetera on Sept 17, 2004 7:44:12 GMT -5
i love the variation in the melody on the 2nd tune (whats the name? cant recall) but the "if Im wrong Im not alone" part changes the melody up at the end.. brings it all home. Good stuff. Great song on a really good album. **also, is Scooter the Scooter formerly known as Scooterboy on the Monolyth site?**
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Post by deadelvis on Sept 17, 2004 10:24:33 GMT -5
Okay, Okay - everyones a critic!!!
At least Paul continues to create debate which is always healthy!
Anyway I remembered a Billy Childish quote concerning creativity and in particular 'one chord! one song! one sound!
Below is the quote which I feel does apply to PW as it refers intentionally to the subject of individualism and art and although all the quote may not be relevant - read it in the spirit it was written in - as a broadside against an increasingly cynical post-modern world and the 'product' produced to sanitise and soften the pain of reality and experience.
"Three chords are a problem', explains Billy Childish, 'theres just to much diversity and choice. People have allowed themselves to be hoodwinked into believing that they need 50 TV channels and a MacDonalds on every corner. NO - the professionals are selling us rubbish, they're hiding behind a badge of office anf they're bankrupt, they've just got no bravery or courage"
"Sophistication does not equal power, power comes from God and the Soul. We have a posturing art and culture that sells itself as slick and streetwise, but in truth it is bombastic and vacuous. These so-called professionals have bought into their own lie and believe that they are dangerous and pushing new boundaries, when really they are just media whores who haven't yet realised that more is less."
Seems to me that PW sees the world in a similar manner as Childish and FULLY understands the machinations of the environs in which he operates and chooses to release records that are challenging and brave and courageous.
Remember if he wanted to he would have got a producer, smoothed out the rough edges and sold his soul a long time ago - it's not as if he could'nt do it.
PW's records are not empty posturing statements that cater for an MTV generation. To some they may sound simple and dumb but really they are sophisticated beyond the knowledge of those who refuse to attempt to grasp their significance in a world saturated with crap.
Deadelvis
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Post by troublkepnyerhedup on Sept 17, 2004 14:11:43 GMT -5
um, by the way, where is Grandpaboy? He usually comes out with an album around the same time as Paul Westerberg.
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Post by WsBigBrownBeaver on Sept 17, 2004 20:24:54 GMT -5
I think it's time for Paul to create a third alter ego who puts out overproduced pop songs. He can have another band lip sync to them, like in that Blues Traveller video for "Run Around"..... then He'll have
1) Granpaboy for the unreleasable crap 2) PW for the "songwriter" and "soundtracker" 3) Backstreet Billly for the Power Pop tunes playing on Kiss FM
Wait..... ooops... I forgot about Otto Zithromax...
I have to say that Zithromax saved me from a really long bought of walking pneumonia... Why didn't he use Zoloft?? I'm losing it....
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Post by scoOter on Sept 18, 2004 9:06:19 GMT -5
**also, is Scooter the Scooter formerly known as Scooterboy on the Monolyth site?** the same!
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Post by PeterCetera on Sept 18, 2004 12:30:05 GMT -5
whats happening my friend? I live in Milwaukee.. we've chatted before. for the life of me i cannot recall my monolyth screen name. Im sure it was something stupid..
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Post by PeterCetera on Sept 20, 2004 21:17:14 GMT -5
they gave it a 1 out of 10. I bet they listened once. f*ckers.
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Post by Harry on Sept 20, 2004 21:30:15 GMT -5
I bet they listened once. That's all it takes
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Post by scoOter on Sept 21, 2004 8:20:01 GMT -5
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Post by FreeRider on Sept 21, 2004 9:05:29 GMT -5
Man, I'm a little surprised by the mixed reviews. Granted, I'm no blind faith follower, but I actually enjoy Folker. It's not his best, but I don't think it's as bad as some people say it is. I dunno.... Again, my litmus test is this: are these songs better than the forced fed crap and playlists from my hometown's corporate rock radio? Are these songs better than or equal to the crap that my co-workers play on the radio at work? Sorry, I don't agree that this is "awful". These songs, these melodies, the chord progressions, are still better than most anything I can hear on my town's radio.
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